2010 PSLE Discussion
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verykiasu2010:
Ha, I finally understand your misgiving. Yes, human factors are difficult to quantify. That is why statistical data is collected, as these are results influenced by human factors. Hence, results of statistical trends and analysis is a reflection of how human factors will affect the results
complex - NOT in terms of mathematical formula
complex - as it is influenced by human factors, not all students / teachers / markers are 100% predictable as a robot
In short, statistics is a measurable means for \"human factors\". The trend will change drastically only when there is a major change that affect the situation that affect the human race e.g. there was shortage of food during PSLE period. Otherwise, the same trend will be expected to repeat year after year. -
Sun_2010:
Hi Sun_2010
IMHO- a variety of people make the forum interesting, and ur POV adds to this forum.
Glad that you find my POV interesting. Anyway, whenever my DH sees me in this forum, his usual comment is :
\"You too free ah? Better let others think you are a fool and keep your mouth shut then open it and removed all doubts.\"
If he sees my exchanges, his 2 front teeth will drop off. Guess it's time to take his advice seriously.
All the best for your kids' education.
Regards -
verykiasu2010:
I am making informed guesses of the PSLE total raw-scores from the extreme cases. The estimate is for overall mean and SD. [b]Since the papers are easy, the SD should be quite consistent for all 4 papers[/b].
I am using PSLE score here to estimate - not raw score from schools.atutor2001:
[quote=\"verykiasu2010\"]
every school's raw score is of no help in the estimate because their standards are different from school to school. A child from school A with raw score of 380 cannot be compared with another child of the same raw score from school B.
[quote]And nobody actually know the raw scores in the actual PSLE exam, but it is a known fact that every subject's mean and SD are different
[quote]it will be more instructive if the schools provide its own t-score for every student every year and bench mark it to actual performance at PSLE and see where they stand. that will be much more able to predict the PSLE actual scores [/quote]
I know a NYP girl who failed her P6 math in every semester but got an A in PSLE, which explains why the mean for NYP math is ONLY 65.8. She was so demoralised and her parents were so upset. I really cannot understand how such mis-match between prelim and psle standard is of help. So the parents will tell the kid, \"Don't worry, it is ok to fail now. Based on the bench mark to actual performace at PSLE, you will get A\"
Therefore, knowing that the overall mean is around 69 and yet that school's mean for math is 65.8, we can tell the school that they are doing a disservice to the weaker students. Losing confidence and developing dislike for math is not something that can be corrected easily.[/quote]
you know the actual raw scores for the PSLE ? don't joke / mislead people lah
the papers were easy, BUT not all 4 subjects are all equally easy. what a joke to say there should be \"consistent\" since \"they are easy\". Consistent in what ? consistently different from each and every subject is more like it
why upset ? it just shows that that girl need some waking up to before the PSLE to achiever her potential
the school's overall result is proof that what they do is on the right track : more than 82% scored at least 4As or higher
in every school there are stories of pupil who scored badly in school tests and did well for the PSLE - waking up not too late from the slumber; there are also some proud peacock who did worse in PSLE than in prelim
parents should bear in mind that every subject's mean and SD is different from year to year[/quote]
My son got all 4As but only get 224, so disappointing!!! Thought of putting 1st choice as Maris Stella High.... -
Adetan:
verykiasu2010:
[quote=\"atutor2001\"]
I am using PSLE score here to estimate - not raw score from schools.
I am making informed guesses of the PSLE total raw-scores from the extreme cases. The estimate is for overall mean and SD. [b]Since the papers are easy, the SD should be quite consistent for all 4 papers[/b].
I know a NYP girl who failed her P6 math in every semester but got an A in PSLE, which explains why the mean for NYP math is ONLY 65.8. She was so demoralised and her parents were so upset. I really cannot understand how such mis-match between prelim and psle standard is of help. So the parents will tell the kid, \"Don't worry, it is ok to fail now. Based on the bench mark to actual performace at PSLE, you will get A\"
Therefore, knowing that the overall mean is around 69 and yet that school's mean for math is 65.8, we can tell the school that they are doing a disservice to the weaker students. Losing confidence and developing dislike for math is not something that can be corrected easily.
you know the actual raw scores for the PSLE ? don't joke / mislead people lah
the papers were easy, BUT not all 4 subjects are all equally easy. what a joke to say there should be \"consistent\" since \"they are easy\". Consistent in what ? consistently different from each and every subject is more like it
why upset ? it just shows that that girl need some waking up to before the PSLE to achiever her potential
the school's overall result is proof that what they do is on the right track : more than 82% scored at least 4As or higher
in every school there are stories of pupil who scored badly in school tests and did well for the PSLE - waking up not too late from the slumber; there are also some proud peacock who did worse in PSLE than in prelim
parents should bear in mind that every subject's mean and SD is different from year to year
My son got all 4As but only get 224, so disappointing!!! Thought of putting 1st choice as Maris Stella High....[/quote]
If happens both pupils get 224, first pupil put his 1st choice as Fuhua and second pupil put as 2nd choice. You think second pupil will get into Fuhua? Will first pupil get the first priority? Pls comment...thks
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Adetan:
No, choice does not matter. There are many decimal places behind the 224 that you see on the result slip, in the database. So the one with the higher \"224\" will have priority over the one with the lower \"224\".
If happens both pupils get 224, first pupil put his 1st choice as Fuhua and second pupil put as 2nd choice. You think second pupil will get into Fuhua? Will first pupil get the first priority? Pls comment...thks -
atutor2001:
yaya totally agree with u that discipline & distance shld b the main consideration. unfortunately we are stayin in bt timah & all the elite schs are nearby but beyond our reach. so near yet so far. hv a feelin tat he wont make it to nan chiau.
I think appealing for SJI through normal channel is difficult because the COP is 241. Therefore, there is no real advantage in putting it as the 1st choice.ahque:
as he had fever during psle, with special consideration of 4 points, he has 232. goin to appeal for sst as our ds didnt manage to clear e 2nd around. now, we are struggling as to which schools to choose. seems like to risky to put sji as 1st choice, but we can only appeal if we put sji as 1st choice rite? our choices :-
1st choice - sji
2nd choice - maris stella
3rd choice - clementi town
4th choice - ?
5th choice - ?
6th choice - ?
:?: :?: :?: pls advise.
My personal consideration for Sec school is discipline and distance. I think Maris stella is a good choice. Maybe you would also like to consider Nan Chiau (231) and Presbyterian High (229). The 4th, 5th ... choices are not important if we are realistic with our first 3 choices.
now more like :-
1. maris stella cop 232 band 3
2. clementi town cop 230 band 4
hv selected few schs but dunno how to place
fuhua cop 229 band 4
presbyterian cop 229 band 5
st andrew cop 233 band 7
gan eng seng cop 222 band 5
bt batok cop 221 band 5
what do u advise? heard of fuhua? -
ahque:
Sorry, I have no idea of Fuhua. I feel that it is most important for your DS to work hard in Sec 1 & 2 and remain in the top class (even if the school may have lower COP) so that there is no/less notorious kids in his class. I know someone who managed to get into St And, got into big trouble because he mixed with wrong companies. Sec 1 & 2 are very important years for boys where they follow friends more than parents.
yaya totally agree with u that discipline & distance shld b the main consideration. unfortunately we are stayin in bt timah & all the elite schs are nearby but beyond our reach. so near yet so far. hv a feelin tat he wont make it to nan chiau.
now more like :-
1. maris stella cop 232 band 3
2. clementi town cop 230 band 4
hv selected few schs but dunno how to place
fuhua cop 229 band 4
presbyterian cop 229 band 5
st andrew cop 233 band 7
gan eng seng cop 222 band 5
bt batok cop 221 band 5
what do u advise? heard of fuhua?
Pray that your DS gets his first choice. All the best. -
atutor2001:
Totally Agreed with U.I feel that it is most important for your DS to work hard in Sec 1 & 2 and remain in the top class (even if the school may have lower COP) so that there is no/less notorious kids in his class. I know someone who managed to get into St And, got into big trouble because he mixed with wrong companies. Sec 1 & 2 are very important years for boys where they follow friends more than parents.
My Boy did Not Perform Well in PSLE, Got Less Than 200 ....
And We Let Him Go Into a NeighbourHood Normal Acad School ....
He's Perfectly Happy There - Mixing with His Own Group of Similar Minded Classmates Who Wish to DO Well And Improve Academically ....
However, there R Other Students in His Class (Even Though It is Top Class) .... Who Smokes, Who \"Ponteng\" Class, ....
Even His Form Teachers, During Every Year's Meet-the Parents Session, R Cautioning Us to Look Out for Our Boy, and Not to Mix with the \"WRONG\" Company in His Own Class ....
Relieved to Say That My Boy Perform Academically Well, And Remain in the Top Class ....
and He Has Just Finished His \"O-Level\" this Month and R Waiting for His Results Now ....
He Assures This Mummy He Has Done Well in His Exam, And Is Looking Forward to Enrol in His Favourite \"Animation\" Course in Poly Next Year ....
So, I DO Agree that Sec 1 and 2 R Crucial Year ....
And Our Kids Follow Friends .... More than Parents ....
:lol: :lol: -
ahque:
yaya totally agree with u that discipline & distance shld b the main consideration. unfortunately we are stayin in bt timah & all the elite schs are nearby but beyond our reach. so near yet so far. hv a feelin tat he wont make it to nan chiau.
I think appealing for SJI through normal channel is difficult because the COP is 241. Therefore, there is no real advantage in putting it as the 1st choice.atutor2001:
[quote=\"ahque\"]
as he had fever during psle, with special consideration of 4 points, he has 232. goin to appeal for sst as our ds didnt manage to clear e 2nd around. now, we are struggling as to which schools to choose. seems like to risky to put sji as 1st choice, but we can only appeal if we put sji as 1st choice rite? our choices :-
1st choice - sji
2nd choice - maris stella
3rd choice - clementi town
4th choice - ?
5th choice - ?
6th choice - ?
:?: :?: :?: pls advise.
My personal consideration for Sec school is discipline and distance. I think Maris stella is a good choice. Maybe you would also like to consider Nan Chiau (231) and Presbyterian High (229). The 4th, 5th ... choices are not important if we are realistic with our first 3 choices.
now more like :-
1. maris stella cop 232 band 3
2. clementi town cop 230 band 4
hv selected few schs but dunno how to place
fuhua cop 229 band 4
presbyterian cop 229 band 5
st andrew cop 233 band 7
gan eng seng cop 222 band 5
bt batok cop 221 band 5
what do u advise? heard of fuhua?[/quote]Your DS got extra 4 points due to fever? How to get the points? I had fever oso but dunno how...? -
hi,
can someone please advise.
my dd has 247+1(HCL) applying:
1. CHIJ St Nic
2. Cedar
3. TKGS
do you think the selection is risky since my first and second choice are borderline??(vs COP 247 and 246 respectively)
thank you
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