Opinions of the Primary School Registration System

[janet88]

Phase 2B is NOT just for PVs…grassroots, religious groups fall under this phase too.


Given the unhappiness about PV, it’s very simple. Either you put aside the professional status and do it or else, DON’T. Some Catholic schools do not accept PVs, reserving the Phase 2B strictly for Catholics.

Phase 1 is GUARANTEED. Parents who have successfully done PV before or else gone through the heart-pumping stress of balloting can successfully get guaranteed place for younger kids.

[dorisp]

verykiasu2010:

semi-public funding ? you are rubbishing away past and present donations by founders, parents, alumni and existing students' parents ? mind you, these are no peanuts. By the way, government schools are fully paid from tax payers' money and parents do not need to fork out a single cent to enjoy new facilities while existing parents and alumni of NYPS must still pay 'loyalty fees' before new facilities are built.

Very true. Many schools were founded/co-funded by religious groups, clan associations, parents of students, alumni, staff etc those days when there were, I believe, limited fundings from govt or the public. Without those funds, the efforts and the sacrifice from these private groups, the school may not have survived, not to mention becoming \"popular\" today that everyone wants a part of it.

It is easy these days to identify a \"good\" school and say I want that school for my children. While it is understandable that every parent wants the best possible for their child, it would seem logical to me that priorities should still be given to offsprings of the group of people that have helped make the school \"popular\" today.

[phankao]

janet_lee88:

Phase 2B is NOT just for PVs...grassroots, religious groups fall under this phase too.


Given the unhappiness about PV, it's very simple. Either you put aside the professional status and do it or else, DON'T. Some Catholic schools do not accept PVs, reserving the Phase 2B strictly for Catholics.

Phase 1 is GUARANTEED. Parents who have successfully done PV before or else gone through the heart-pumping stress of balloting can successfully get guaranteed place for younger kids.

Yeah, the only PV I've done is as an actual parent of a child that is already in the schools. Afterall, doing PV is only to qualify the child to be given the privilege of applying under Phase 2B, not the privilege of a guaranteed place. Same for all children applying under Phase 2B - it's only a chance, not an absolute.

[absolut_vodka]

phankao:

janet_lee88:

Phase 2B is NOT just for PVs...grassroots, religious groups fall under this phase too.


Given the unhappiness about PV, it's very simple. Either you put aside the professional status and do it or else, DON'T. Some Catholic schools do not accept PVs, reserving the Phase 2B strictly for Catholics.

Phase 1 is GUARANTEED. Parents who have successfully done PV before or else gone through the heart-pumping stress of balloting can successfully get guaranteed place for younger kids.

Yeah, the only PV I've done is as an actual parent of a child that is already in the schools. Afterall, doing PV is only to qualify the child to be given the privilege of applying under Phase 2B, not the privilege of a guaranteed place. Same for all children applying under Phase 2B - it's only a chance, not an absolute.

So its absolutely alright for schools to 'abuse' this system and exploit those willing parties - Such a good argument! Yes, the current system says tat it is a privilege (though I can't see how), not a right but who is to say that it cannot be changed in the future.

It's sad that those in the ministry are unable to think out of the box and resolve these unnecessary problems.

And going by the comments made, I assume that you are all successful PVs and thus see the merits of the system.

[phankao]

absolut_vodka:

phankao:

Yeah, the only PV I've done is as an actual parent of a child that is already in the schools. Afterall, doing PV is only to qualify the child to be given the privilege of applying under Phase 2B, not the privilege of a guaranteed place. Same for all children applying under Phase 2B - it's only a chance, not an absolute.

And going by the comments made, I assume that you are all successful PVs and thus see the merits of the system.

Already said that I've not done a day nor Hour of PV BEFORE my kids went to school. No point, since they qualify under phase 2B. Thankfully all got in.

[dorisp]

foreverj:

hi 3boys, i think u made a lot of sense and i hear the points u have put forward. however until the day someone is able to propose an alternative system and prove that the current system is not workable/ extremely unfair, i doubt MOE will do anything to change the system.

Any system/policy is subject to change or improvements......but i agree with foreverj that this is unlikely till a better alternative fairer system is found.

Somehow, experience tells me that there isn't a system that pleases everybody. It all depends on which side you belong.

[phankao]

absolut_vodka:

It's sad that those in the ministry are unable to think out of the box and resolve these unnecessary problems..

Do you have a good alternative solution? If so, please let the public and the Ministry concerned know about it.

[verykiasu2010]

absolut_vodka:

phankao:

[quote=\"janet_lee88\"]Phase 2B is NOT just for PVs...grassroots, religious groups fall under this phase too.


Given the unhappiness about PV, it's very simple. Either you put aside the professional status and do it or else, DON'T. Some Catholic schools do not accept PVs, reserving the Phase 2B strictly for Catholics.

Phase 1 is GUARANTEED. Parents who have successfully done PV before or else gone through the heart-pumping stress of balloting can successfully get guaranteed place for younger kids.

Yeah, the only PV I've done is as an actual parent of a child that is already in the schools. Afterall, doing PV is only to qualify the child to be given the privilege of applying under Phase 2B, not the privilege of a guaranteed place. Same for all children applying under Phase 2B - it's only a chance, not an absolute.

So its absolutely alright for schools to 'abuse' this system and exploit those willing parties - Such a good argument! Yes, the current system says tat it is a privilege (though I can't see how), not a right but who is to say that it cannot be changed in the future.

It's sad that those in the ministry are unable to think out of the box and resolve these unnecessary problems.

And going by the comments made, I assume that you are all successful PVs and thus see the merits of the system.[/quote]there are demerit-points too but I guess the merits outweight the demerit for the time being until a better alternative is available to please EVERY BODY. We all work with imperfect solutions most of the time in almost every aspect of life / work until a better solution is found and bring it on

[absolut_vodka]

phankao:

absolut_vodka:

[quote=\"phankao\"]

Yeah, the only PV I've done is as an actual parent of a child that is already in the schools. Afterall, doing PV is only to qualify the child to be given the privilege of applying under Phase 2B, not the privilege of a guaranteed place. Same for all children applying under Phase 2B - it's only a chance, not an absolute.

And going by the comments made, I assume that you are all successful PVs and thus see the merits of the system.

Already said that I've not done a day nor Hour of PV BEFORE my kids went to school. No point, since they qualify under phase 2B. Thankfully all got in.[/quote]essentially that just means that you do not empathise with those who have toiled the hours and yet, didn't secure a place because u have not felt the disappointment or even heartache.

i'm not in that position either and don't wish to be - just feel for those who have to go through a process that is unfair and unnecessary so that they can give their children a head-start in life.

[phankao]

absolut_vodka:

phankao:

[quote=\"absolut_vodka\"]
And going by the comments made, I assume that you are all successful PVs and thus see the merits of the system.

Already said that I've not done a day nor Hour of PV BEFORE my kids went to school. No point, since they qualify under phase 2B. Thankfully all got in.

essentially that just means that you do not empathise with those who have toiled the hours and yet, didn't secure a place because u have not felt the disappointment or even heartache.

i'm not in that position either and don't wish to be - just feel for those who have to go through a process that is unfair and unnecessary so that they can give their children a head-start in life.[/quote]Well, I also think it's not fair for those who have affiliation with the school to fight on equal grounds with those who don't. At least for parents to put in PV hours, they have some contribution and in some way \"affiliation\" as such. Both PVs & students with connection(church/clan) then have the same priority in the same phase. I can't think of a better alternative. Do you have a suggestion? I do not think \"donation\" is an equitable alternative, by the way. Bc that would really segregate the \"have's\" & \"have-nots\" and not fair in my view.