2010 COPs for 2011 Sec One Intake
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DVL:
vk2010verykiasu2010:
[quote=\"DVL\"]Now this is interesting - highest T-score for NYGS is 281. For 2010 PSLE, top scorer had a T-score of 282 and the next highest T-score was 279. Who scored 281? :? The score of 281 is only possible if the aggregate includes bonus point for HMT. So the question is - are all these published COPs inclusive of HMT? Also, it is quite interesting to note that someone who scored 281 did not get into NYGS via DSA.
there were quite a number of them simply ignored the DSA, including GEP kids
who says bright kids must go via DSA ?
also, for the one with 281 in NYGH, she might not have taken HCL, who knows ?
You missed my point totally. First of all, I did not say bright kids must go via DSA. I made the comment purely for the benefits of future DSA applicants. After every DSA exercise, we have many parents/kids who are disappointed for not getting into their dream school. By highlighting the fact that the NYGS girl with the highest T-score did not get into her school via DSA, I hope to encourage those who fail to secure a place in their dream school via DSA.[/quote]i think you missed the point too. aren't you implying that that girl failed in her DSA quest to enter NYGH and instead got in using PSLE result ? who knows she might be the one who totally ignored DSA altogether, not because she failed via DSA ? -
DVL:
Sorry sall, I cannot agree with this comment of yours \"... that DSA is more for students who are not so gd but try to get a place in a gd sch..\" 90% of NUSH cohort are enrolled yearly via DSA. Are you saying that these NUSH kids are not so good? Also, I know of a top GEP school which expects all their GEPers to secure a place in their school of choice during the DSA phase. This school set this kind of expectation because that had been their record for the past few years. I would say DSA is for anyone, bright or otherwise, who wants to secure a place in their dream school before they take their PSLE.[/quote]In the case of NUSH, of course, those students who are accepted are v v good in Science and Maths, but they may not be so strong in either English or Chinese. Their lang marks for psle may pull down the overall score. I know of a few students who will not get a chance to go NUSH if they didn't DSA. That's because they only scored A for Language and that affected the overall score. DD's classmates are good examples, they are v good in Maths and Science, but weaker in Lang, got into NUSH via DSA.sall:
[quote=\"DVL\"]Now this is interesting - highest T-score for NYGS is 281. For 2010 PSLE, top scorer had a T-score of 282 and the next highest T-score was 279. Who scored 281? :? The score of 281 is only possible if the aggregate includes bonus point for HMT. So the question is - are all these published COPs inclusive of HMT? Also, it is quite interesting to note that someone who scored 281 did not get into NYGS via DSA.
Students who do very well academically and consistently do not need to apply via DSA. All sch will accept them for their high PSLE score. DSA is more for students who are gd in sports and want to go to a gd sch, or students who are not so gd but try to get a place in a gd sch or sch of their choice.
There is also a boy who is talented in Sc and Maths, but not gd in lang, but his score was pulled down by lang. If he had tried dsa to NUSH, he would be able to secure a place there.
For students who are v good in a sport but not so good in studies, then they can try to secure a place in gd sch via dsa , using sport talent. 2 girls I know dsa into NYGH via sports, and their psle score was only 234 and 231. Another boy got into RV via dsa sports, his psle score was below 230. This is what I meant when I said weaker students who wanted gd sch will try dsa. For v gd students, there is no need to secure a place. With the good results, they are welcomed everywhere with open arms. -
sall:
In the case of NUSH, of course, those students who are accepted are v v good in Science and Maths, but they may not be so strong in either English or Chinese. Their lang marks for psle may pull down the overall score. I know of a few students who will not get a chance to go NUSH if they didn't DSA. That's because they only scored A for Language and that affected the overall score. DD's classmates are good examples, they are v good in Maths and Science, but weaker in Lang, got into NUSH via DSA.
Sorry sall, I cannot agree with this comment of yours \"... that DSA is more for students who are not so gd but try to get a place in a gd sch..\" 90% of NUSH cohort are enrolled yearly via DSA. Are you saying that these NUSH kids are not so good? Also, I know of a top GEP school which expects all their GEPers to secure a place in their school of choice during the DSA phase. This school set this kind of expectation because that had been their record for the past few years. I would say DSA is for anyone, bright or otherwise, who wants to secure a place in their dream school before they take their PSLE.DVL:
[quote=\"sall\"]
Students who do very well academically and consistently do not need to apply via DSA. All sch will accept them for their high PSLE score. DSA is more for students who are gd in sports and want to go to a gd sch, or students who are not so gd but try to get a place in a gd sch or sch of their choice.
There is also a boy who is talented in Sc and Maths, but not gd in lang, but his score was pulled down by lang. If he had tried dsa to NUSH, he would be able to secure a place there.
For students who are v good in a sport but not so good in studies, then they can try to secure a place in gd sch via dsa , using sport talent. 2 girls I know dsa into NYGH via sports, and their psle score was only 234 and 231. Another boy got into RV via dsa sports, his psle score was below 230. This is what I meant when I said weaker students who wanted gd sch will try dsa. For v gd students, there is no need to secure a place. With the good results, they are welcomed everywhere with open arms.[/quote]sometime ago there was very heated debate of how good are entrants to NUSH because they all went in via DSA as the school does NOT take part in MOE S1 posting. I know some who got DSA into NUSH but achieved score of 240 because only got A for EL & CL, just as you said above -
verykiasu2010:
i think you missed the point too. aren't you implying that that girl failed in her DSA quest to enter NYGH and instead got in using PSLE result ? who knows she might be the one who totally ignored DSA altogether, not because she failed via DSA ?[/quote]
vk2010DVL:
[quote=\"verykiasu2010\"]
there were quite a number of them simply ignored the DSA, including GEP kids
who says bright kids must go via DSA ?
also, for the one with 281 in NYGH, she might not have taken HCL, who knows ?
You missed my point totally. First of all, I did not say bright kids must go via DSA. I made the comment purely for the benefits of future DSA applicants. After every DSA exercise, we have many parents/kids who are disappointed for not getting into their dream school. By highlighting the fact that the NYGS girl with the highest T-score did not get into her school via DSA, I hope to encourage those who fail to secure a place in their dream school via DSA.
I think it was you who mentioned that the published aggregate does not include students who got into a school via DSA, as such, I concluded that the girl with T-score of 281 did not get into NYGS via DSA and this was exactly what I stated - the girl did not get into her school via DSA. Nowhere did I mention that girl failed her DSA. I believe there is a big difference between did not get into the school via DSA and failed in the DSA quest. -
sall:
In the case of NUSH, of course, those students who are accepted are v v good in Science and Maths, but they may not be so strong in either English or Chinese. Their lang marks for psle may pull down the overall score. I know of a few students who will not get a chance to go NUSH if they didn't DSA. That's because they only scored A for Language and that affected the overall score. DD's classmates are good examples, they are v good in Maths and Science, but weaker in Lang, got into NUSH via DSA.
Sorry sall, I cannot agree with this comment of yours \"... that DSA is more for students who are not so gd but try to get a place in a gd sch..\" 90% of NUSH cohort are enrolled yearly via DSA. Are you saying that these NUSH kids are not so good? Also, I know of a top GEP school which expects all their GEPers to secure a place in their school of choice during the DSA phase. This school set this kind of expectation because that had been their record for the past few years. I would say DSA is for anyone, bright or otherwise, who wants to secure a place in their dream school before they take their PSLE.DVL:
[quote=\"sall\"]
Students who do very well academically and consistently do not need to apply via DSA. All sch will accept them for their high PSLE score. DSA is more for students who are gd in sports and want to go to a gd sch, or students who are not so gd but try to get a place in a gd sch or sch of their choice.
There is also a boy who is talented in Sc and Maths, but not gd in lang, but his score was pulled down by lang. If he had tried dsa to NUSH, he would be able to secure a place there.
For students who are v good in a sport but not so good in studies, then they can try to secure a place in gd sch via dsa , using sport talent. 2 girls I know dsa into NYGH via sports, and their psle score was only 234 and 231. Another boy got into RV via dsa sports, his psle score was below 230. This is what I meant when I said weaker students who wanted gd sch will try dsa. For v gd students, there is no need to secure a place. With the good results, they are welcomed everywhere with open arms.[/quote]There is DSA for sports, CCA and academic. Whatever examples you had highlighted are mainly DSA through sports. For all IP schools, the number of successful DSA Academic applicants far outnumbers the DSA sports or CCA. Do you think top IP schools like RI/RGS/HCI/NYGS/NUSH would take in more than 50% (90% in the case of NUSH) of their enrollment via DSA if these are not so good students? Many parents of bright kids viewed DSA as an insurance and as such, at every year, they are many bright kids (including most GEPers and High Ability kids) sit for the various DSA tests and many of these tests (including interviews) are actually tougher than PSLE. -
I have some question about HCL in PSLE. If I am not wrong, students with HCL will take another paper beside the normal CL paper and if they score additional merit in HCL paper, they will be awarded 1-3 points bonus in their aggregate when applying to SAP schools. Correct me if my picture is wrong.
Point 2: If the merit is earned through taking a tougher paper, I think it is very unfair that the merit is only counted when he/she is applying for SAP schools. This creates an unnecessary confusion when we look at a school COP for example. -
WeiHan:
this has got to do with the origin of retaining the SAP sec school in the systemI have some question about HCL in PSLE. If I am not wrong, students with HCL will take another paper beside the normal CL paper and if they score additional merit in HCL paper, they will be awarded 1-3 points bonus in their aggregate when applying to SAP schools. Correct me if my picture is wrong. [correct, not wrong]
Point 2: If the merit is earned through taking a tougher paper, I think it is very unfair that the merit is only counted when he/she is applying for SAP schools. This creates an unnecessary confusion when we look at a school COP for example. -
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WeiHan:
Totally agreed with you that the bonus points for HCL is causing alot of confusion on the COP. However, besides the additional bonus points when applying for SAP schools, there are some other advantages of HCL. If you pass HCL at PSLE, you would be allowed to continue with HCL at secondary school level and you pass HCL at O Level, you would not need to take Chinese Lang at JC level. Also, a HCL pass at O level is worth 2 bonus points (you can dock off 2 points from your L1R5 aggregate) for entry to JC. Generally, for those who do not do HCL in primary school, they are not allowed to do HCL at secondary school level unless they meet certain criteria set by MOE. Even if they meet the criteria and do HCL at secondary school level, most of them would struggle as compared to those who had done HCL in primary school.I have some question about HCL in PSLE. If I am not wrong, students with HCL will take another paper beside the normal CL paper and if they score additional merit in HCL paper, they will be awarded 1-3 points bonus in their aggregate when applying to SAP schools. Correct me if my picture is wrong.
Point 2: If the merit is earned through taking a tougher paper, I think it is very unfair that the merit is only counted when he/she is applying for SAP schools. This creates an unnecessary confusion when we look at a school COP for example. -
DVL:
I agree with you with the other perk of taking HCL. However, my point isn't to dispute that. My point is that since students are allowed to continue their HCL studies even in non SAP schools, why is bonus only counted when one applies to SAP schools? And then, the inconsistency is that an A1 in O level is given 2 bonus points when going to JC regradless of whether one is continuing chinese studies in the A level.
Totally agreed with you that the bonus points for HCL is causing alot of confusion on the COP. However, besides the additional bonus points when applying for SAP schools, there are some other advantages of HCL. If you pass HCL at PSLE, you would be allowed to continue with HCL at secondary school level and you pass HCL at O Level, you would not need to take Chinese Lang at JC level. Also, a HCL pass at O level is worth 2 bonus points (you can dock off 2 points from your L1R5 aggregate) for entry to JC. Generally, for those who do not do HCL in primary school, they are not allowed to do HCL at secondary school level unless they meet certain criteria set by MOE. Even if they meet the criteria and do HCL at secondary school level, most of them would struggle as compared to those who had done HCL in primary school.WeiHan:
I have some question about HCL in PSLE. If I am not wrong, students with HCL will take another paper beside the normal CL paper and if they score additional merit in HCL paper, they will be awarded 1-3 points bonus in their aggregate when applying to SAP schools. Correct me if my picture is wrong.
Point 2: If the merit is earned through taking a tougher paper, I think it is very unfair that the merit is only counted when he/she is applying for SAP schools. This creates an unnecessary confusion when we look at a school COP for example.
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