P1 Chinese - General Discussion

[janet88]

If I didn't remember wrongly, daughter had very tough ting xie in K2. The ting xie were in sentences and she had to learn to write every single character totally crazy.

[allseasons]

Hi all,


Side track a little bit. I found this in my DS chinese textbook for P1 when revising with him. Can someone help me with this pinyin and help me with explanation:

碰 过 来, 碰 过 去.
The pinyin on the textbook it is written like this: peng4 guo lai, peng4 guo qu.

I told my son it might be printing error, in my opinion it is supposed to be: peng4 guo4 lai2, peng4 guo4 chi4.

But I asked my son to check with the teacher. The teacher said, what it printed on the book is the correct one, so it is: peng4 guo(neutral tone) lai (neutral tone), peng4 guo (neutral tone) chi (neutral tone).

Why? I really don't understand.... :?

[janet88]

allseasons:

碰 过 来, 碰 过 去.
The pinyin on the textbook it is written like this: peng4 guo lai, peng4 guo qu.

I told my son it might be printing error, in my opinion it is supposed to be: peng4 guo4 lai2, peng4 guo4 chi4.

But I asked my son to check with the teacher. The teacher said, what it printed on the book is the correct one, so it is: peng4 guo(neutral tone) lai (neutral tone), peng4 guo (neutral tone) chi (neutral tone).

Why? I really don't understand.... :?

Yes, I've got this problem with textbook too.
过 in this case is 轻声. Last week when I was teaching daughter 听写, there was this 词语 '洗手'...both of these characters are read as xi3 shou3 although we read 洗 as xi2 shou3.

[Callie Tan]

janet_lee88:

allseasons:

碰 过 来, 碰 过 去.
The pinyin on the textbook it is written like this: peng4 guo lai, peng4 guo qu.

I told my son it might be printing error, in my opinion it is supposed to be: peng4 guo4 lai2, peng4 guo4 chi4.

But I asked my son to check with the teacher. The teacher said, what it printed on the book is the correct one, so it is: peng4 guo(neutral tone) lai (neutral tone), peng4 guo (neutral tone) chi (neutral tone).

Why? I really don't understand.... :?

Yes, I've got this problem with textbook too.
过 in this case is 轻声. Last week when I was teaching daughter 听写, there was this 词语 '洗手'...both of these characters are read as xi3 shou3 although we read 洗 as xi2 shou3.

I am not too sure about the 碰 过 来, 碰 过 去... but for the '洗手' read as xi2 shou3, this is one of the rules for hanyu pinyin.

[allseasons]

Mee too.. don't know how to explain to my son why the tone change.. so I just asked him to memorize..

[Yong HL]

janet_lee88:

We went to IMM. My legs carried me to Popular.

:lol: apparently me too. i didnt wait for the popular fair. i also went popular over weekends to grab 2 more maths assessment books recommended by KSP, which i failed to overcome the temptation.

[justmum]

汉语的每一个音节都有它固定的声调，但是音节和音节连起来读时，有时前一个音节的声调受后一个音节声调的影响，不按它原来的声调发音，调值发生了一些变化，这叫“变调”。汉语普通话中最常见的变调的现象，有第三声的变调和“一”、“不”的变调。


第三声的变调

1．三声连读时，前一个三声字受后一个三声字的影响，变成二声字，如：

稿（gǎo）纸（zhǐ）读作gáozhǐ

早（zǎo）点（diǎn）读作záodiǎn

鼓（gǔ）掌（zhǎng）读作gúzhǎng

2．第三声在第一、二、四声前读成半三声，就是只读原来第三声的前一半降调。例如：

很高警察请假

3．第三声字后如果是轻声音节，这个第三声字一般要根据它后面轻声字原来的

声调来变化。例如：

想法走走──第一个字读作第二声。

喜欢你们早上──第一个字读作半三声；

“一”的变调

“一”原来的声调是一声，但在下面三种情况下要变调：

1．在四声前读二声。如：

一切读作yíqiè

一粒读作yílì

2．在一声、二声、三声前读四声。如：

一生读作yìshēng

一行读作yìháng

一笔读作yìbǐ

3．夹在重叠动词中间读轻声。如：

等一等读作děngyiděng

看一看读作kànyikàn

“不”的变调

“不”原来的声调读四声，但在四声前读二声。如：

不去读作búqù

不会读作búhuì

如果夹在词语中间，就读轻声。如：

了不起读作liǎobuqǐ

差不多读作chàbuduō

好不好读作hǎobuhǎo

[allseasons]

Justmum, thanks a lot :celebrate:

[justmum]

Yong HL:

Champion:

So when I checked with the teacher, she told me that learning hanyu pinyin is v challenging for a K2 kid especially when they just managed how to write Chinese Character words. So she is introducing them slowly so that the kids will not be scare off ....So, guess I have to start learning the \"a,o,i,e,u\" & the 声调 all over again lioa :lol:

Its good to start learning hanyu pinyin in K2. My p1 just told me that teacher had a poll on her class to see how many students learn HYPY in the kindergarten. Only my girl and another student didnt. But i sent my girl to berries then & she learnt the HYPY there. So far so good :xedfingers: But i heard that her other classmate has a problem catching up though.

janet_lee88:

[This old dog here is having problems learning where to place the 声调..place the intonation on which alphabet...instead of cracking my head over it, I ask my son. Daughter's K2 听写 was nightmare. Well, it's easier in P1 in the sense that she doesn't have to write the chinese characters.

I also have a problem in placing the 声调. But i realised most of the time (not all the time) that the 声调 is on a,e,i,o,u, whichever come 1st. Eg. yue, put on top of \"e\" coz \"e\" come 1st. There are only a few it doesnt work. Like cow, niu... its on top of \"u\". You can try it out..

汉语拼音声调标注位置口诀：
（1）有a不放过；
（2）没a找o、e；
（3）i、u并列标在后；
（4）单个韵母不必说

1) a母出现不放过， （即韵母中凡是有a的，标在a上。如lao,标在a上）

2) 没有a母找 o e ， （没有a，但有o 或e的，标在 o 或e 上。如lou标在o上,lei标在e上）

3) i u并列标在后， （i和 u并列时，标在后面。比如liu,标在u上，gui,标在i 上）

4) 单个韵母不必说。 （单个的韵母，当然就标它上面了）

[Yong HL]

justmum:

汉语拼音声调标注位置口诀：

（1）有a不放过；
（2）没a找o、e；
（3）i、u并列标在后；
（4）单个韵母不必说

1) a母出现不放过， （即韵母中凡是有a的，标在a上。如lao,标在a上）

2) 没有a母找 o e ， （没有a，但有o 或e的，标在 o 或e 上。如lou标在o上,lei标在e上）

3) i u并列标在后， （i和 u并列时，标在后面。比如liu,标在u上，gui,标在i 上）

4) 单个韵母不必说。 （单个的韵母，当然就标它上面了）

very useful. Thank you