Teach Less, Learn More

[cantbearit2]

insider:

My experience in teaching primary school maths.


When I first realised that primary school maths was very different from the way I learnt maths in my primary school 17 years ago, I 'grumbled' a bit about how come need to be so 'troublesome' to draw models etc to solve such simple questions, how come can't use algebra, etc. Then later I got to understand the objective is to teach mental skills via 'long cut' instead of 'short cut'. I got over the initial shock and subsequently can guide my two elder kids more 'calmly' and in a 'matter-of-factly'.

I think parents have to accept the changes and don't take it that the maths are very difficult/tough themselves first coz I think this mindset may affect their children in receiving maths in a more positive manner.

I gave my nephew tuitions on all subjects 17 years ago twice a week for about 2 hours/session. He comes from a broken family with minimal family support except me and he is an average child. He got an 'A' for his maths.

My daughter (studious) and son (ultra playful) got an A+ and an A for their PSLE maths respectively with minimal coaching from me = maths is manageable if an 'A' is an acceptable score for you and the child.

So overall maths is manageable if parents stand by to support their child (parents need to learn all about models, unit transfer, themselves first) at times of needs. All have to accept that the teaching of maths have changed and with a mindset change, the perception of it is 'difficult' will change then it will not be so difficult.

I presume this maybe a case of 'resistance to change' that makes the learning of primary school maths a chore for many (you change your mindset, maths 'suddenly' may become 'easy'...)

insider, it's not the new way of doing Maths tats putting me off. It's e whole \"teach less, learn more\" crap tats getting on my nerves. It make me feel 4d under privileged kids out there. Not being noble but as a parent, I felt frustrated 2b contributing to e no. of being a tuition nation too.

[cantbearit2]

Chenonceau:

Of course... we can do it. I have no doubt that our family can manage Math... not sure about Chinese but we will try. We help him... it can be done. But not every daddy or mommy is educated enough to pull this off.

I oso educated leh(though not top 2% lor, hee....) but definitely can't coach my DD. I noe e ans (i dun mean Science hor) but juz find it so hard to explain it to her. Some parents in KSP like Tamarind or BUDS R really gd, they can come up wif great ideas 4 teaching a certain topic but I juz dun have it wif me. I got a lot of tips fr reading their thread and am still learning how to teach. It juz make me mad to tink we have 2 do e teaching of extras. 4 parents like me, I dun even noe wats extras. I will juz b following the textbks and prob buying some assessm bks for DD to do. Follow the syllabus? yes I can do. Extras? Sorry not sure whr to begin wif.

[cantbearit2]

insider:

The fault lies with human's hearts...the common weakness of unable to resist herd instinct...

Maybe I can give one example and ask parents here how would you decide.

Child A - average ability, PSLE score 228 with no tuitions at all but with some coaching at home on things that he doesn't know.

Child B - average ability, tuition from P1 to P6 for all four subjects, Learning Lab included, with a total tuition fees of more than $20,000 for those 6 years, PSLE score 242.

The difference is 14 points.

Would you go the Child A's path or Child B?

I am OK with Child A of course...

If my DD can do without enrichment and still attain 228 in your child A eg, it will of course b my preferred choice. However not all child can attain it without external help lor

My colleague's nephew scored 230 for his PSLE last yr wif plenty of external enrichment. I really can't imagine without enrichment, wat will his score b like??? Less than 200???

Some pple might feel 230 is not fantastic but for me, it's gd enough for my DD. However in order to achieve tis, i find tat even hard to attain without external enrichment based on my DD's ability. My DD is pretty gd in her motor skills but definitely not in the academic dept.

[Funx3]

cantbearit2:

My DD is pretty gd in her motor skills but definitely not in the academic dept.

Meaning Sports? Dance? Musical Instruments?

[cantbearit2]

QuiteKSMum:

My thinking is that if your child can function well without tuition, cope with CCAs, etc, then that's truly your blessings. But there're bound to be many who are not in this happy situation. They do not have tuition cos they want their their kids to do exceptionally well; but just well enough to go into \"decent enough\" schools.

IM one such parent lor. :oops:

We all have our preferred choice of sch. Some sch may juz gif us v bad impression. In my days, we do label some sch as being ah lian or ah beng sch. Thus i hope 2 influence my DD in some way or other to choose e sch which I deem of positive influence (of course it's no guarantee as all sch may have their fair share of black sheeps; agn depending on how u define black sheep).

If her T-score is too low, she will not even have a choice does she? In order to score an avg T-score, my DD needs to work v hard too. She's more a sports person than academic.

[smurf]

honestly, I dun even know what is the sch for anymore.

[cantbearit2]

insider:

Think 'decent' schools require a T score of min 240 and 'good' schools min 250.

There are limited number of 'decent' and 'good' schools (real or perceived) here and most kids have to settle for 'average' schools.

When MOE said most kids can cope, I think it means most kids can make it to an average school.

It is impossible for MOE to say most kids can score min 240 to go to 'decent' schools (real or perceived).

If one can settle for 'average' schools, then the pressure will not be as great.

Err....dun tink we can define \"decent\" here as yur \"decent\" may not b my \"decent\" (my \"decent\" dun even need min 240) & vice versa. Confusing??? Paisay... :oops:
Tink quiteksmum is saying our expectations may not b high. To achieve tat expectations, it may even seem diff for some of us wif avg kids wif e current education sys.
Hope I din confuse anyone further....
:clubmyself:

[cantbearit2]

Funx3:

cantbearit2:

My DD is pretty gd in her motor skills but definitely not in the academic dept.

Meaning Sports? Dance? Musical Instruments?

Yup, sports. Tats y read e Gymnastics thread & saw yur hectic schedule....Incredible!!! :udawoman: :udawoman:

Still tinking wat to sign her up. :? Ask her, she keeps shuddering her shoulders & say dunno. :faint: :faint: She says she loves to run, jump, basically not to stay still. :slapshead: :slapshead:

Any tips for me??? i noe IM :offtopic: Hope chief dun delete my posts.

[Chenonceau]

cantbearit2:

insider:

My experience in teaching primary school maths.


When I first realised that primary school maths was very different from the way I learnt maths in my primary school 17 years ago, I 'grumbled' a bit about how come need to be so 'troublesome' to draw models etc to solve such simple questions, how come can't use algebra, etc. Then later I got to understand the objective is to teach mental skills via 'long cut' instead of 'short cut'. I got over the initial shock and subsequently can guide my two elder kids more 'calmly' and in a 'matter-of-factly'.

I think parents have to accept the changes and don't take it that the maths are very difficult/tough themselves first coz I think this mindset may affect their children in receiving maths in a more positive manner.

I gave my nephew tuitions on all subjects 17 years ago twice a week for about 2 hours/session. He comes from a broken family with minimal family support except me and he is an average child. He got an 'A' for his maths.

My daughter (studious) and son (ultra playful) got an A+ and an A for their PSLE maths respectively with minimal coaching from me = maths is manageable if an 'A' is an acceptable score for you and the child.

So overall maths is manageable if parents stand by to support their child (parents need to learn all about models, unit transfer, themselves first) at times of needs. All have to accept that the teaching of maths have changed and with a mindset change, the perception of it is 'difficult' will change then it will not be so difficult.

I presume this maybe a case of 'resistance to change' that makes the learning of primary school maths a chore for many (you change your mindset, maths 'suddenly' may become 'easy'...)

insider, it's not the new way of doing Maths tats putting me off. It's e whole \"teach less, learn more\" crap tats getting on my nerves. It make me feel 4d under privileged kids out there. Not being noble but as a parent, I felt frustrated 2b contributing to e no. of being a tuition nation too.

The yes-woman rears her head again... EXACTLY.

[janet88]

Funx3:

janet_lee88:

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Yes, we can understand. :hugs:

Hey MOE, are you there ? If you are, please listen to our problems and do something !!!

Think Mrs Yu-Foo is in on the 3rd Week of Every Month at Toh Yi Gdn ....
Can't remember if it's Wed or Thu ....[/quote]Aiyoh, she is out-going MP liao and O.R.D mood. No point asking her anything. If there is no election, you think these MPs will be out shaking hands at coffee shop and markets ? Actually I don't a damn about politics but I'm very very unhappy with the MOE system. All the crap about doing this and that in schools but at the end of the day, kids and parents suffer.