2011 P1 Registration Exercise for 2012 In-Take

[THC]

The game changer depends heavily on the child who sit for the PSLE and not as much as the different phases (among other cases, the recent Qifa Primary School Chinese girl proved it).


As such, isn’t foreigner transfer student from non english speaking country who manage to secure places in 1 to 3 lower level poses greater unjustification to Singaporean as a whole than the different phases ?

On the whole, I have no doubt about their ability to learn and excel, hardworking attitude and determination…etc to make them successful but the playing field must be level. Our education system must not provide leeway for foreigner to catch up on their language skill at the expense of local students. Worst still, our students is suffering in mandrian as well.

Although the number of students might be small but I believe their result will skew the aggregate PSLE score, making it even harder for Singaporean child to get into popular secondary school.

[zhuangzi]

SAHM_TAN:

zhuangzi:

[quote=\"SAHM_TAN\"]

But in what ways are they abusing P2A2? The rules for P2A2 are

a) For a child whose parent or sibling has studied in the school of choice

b) For a child whose parent is a staff member of the school of choice

It's very clear, how to abuse? There's no loophole, except maybe for b) whereby a teacher can ask for transfer to school of choice or a job applicant can try to apply for a job in the school of choice when the school is hiring. But for b) how many cases?

I am referring to point a) where parent who had studied in the school before. why bother join alumni, when you can get almost the same outcome for FREE. Just show your report book. Overall, I think P2A2 should be scrapped. combine point b to P2A1 or P2B.

By not joining alumni is not abuse becos the rule allows it. How about ex-student who are just 13yos, they have to join alumni too?[/quote]Please a 13yos can't be a father in modern day Singapore. Like the Huay Kuan thingy, you can join when you are an Adult. Or simple differentiate between associate member (free; before adulthood) and ordinary member (Adults)

Personally I am against free-rider.

[THC]

I am referring to point a) where parent who had studied in the school before. why bother join alumni, when you can get almost the same outcome for FREE. Just show your report book. Overall, I think P2A2 should be scrapped. combine point b to P2A1 or P2B.[/quote]


By not joining alumni is not abuse becos the rule allows it. How about ex-student who are just 13yos, they have to join alumni too?[/quote]

Please a 13yos can’t be a father in modern day Singapore. Like the Huay Kuan thingy, you can join when you are an Adult. Or simple differentiate between associate member (free; before adulthood) and ordinary member (Adults)

Personally I am against free-rider.[/quote]

Should sibling of age differences of more than 6 to 7 years be accorded the same priority as sibling studying in the school ?

[pinetart]

Agree with Phtthp that priorities should be given to Singaporeans and whatever bal go to PRs/foreigners. Though in a balloting situation, each Sgporean will have extra ballot ticket but we still need to go through balloting. It is like a lucky draw system - be it extra one more, two more or three more lucky draw tickets , (it is still lucky draw) Sgporeans shouldn’t go through same-alike lucky draw - Sgporeans should gotten the prize directly. My PR neighbour has 3 sons and so fortunately, the eldest went in after Phase 3C balloting…so ultimately the siblings will follow. in time, applicants for Phase 1 and 2 will grow.

[pinetart]

Just tackle the fundamental issue i.e. , give priorities to Sgporeans. It is much easier than thinking how to improvise/scrap the ruling on PV, grassroot leaders, church/religion/clan members.

[1amber]

pinetart:

Agree with Phtthp that priorities should be given to Singaporeans and whatever bal go to PRs/foreigners. Though in a balloting situation, each Sgporean will have extra ballot ticket but we still need to go through balloting. It is like a lucky draw system - be it extra one more, two more or three more lucky draw tickets , (it is still lucky draw) Sgporeans shouldn't go through same-alike lucky draw - Sgporeans should gotten the prize directly. My PR neighbour has 3 sons and so fortunately, the eldest went in after Phase 3C balloting...so ultimately the siblings will follow. in time, applicants for Phase 1 and 2 will grow.

Yeah being a 3rd generation singaporean and the thought of having to join the queue for a lucky draw in order to get an education makes me feel rather uncherished as a citizen - knowing fully well through people I know that PRs and even new citizens stand a high chance of returning to their home country after their children have grown up. The new citizen kids have dual citizen by the way. They have up to 18 years of age to decide if they want to remain or return. In the end we just help to educate other nation's kids while our own citizens may have been squeezed out of choiced schools.

[teddy75]

sc88:

Champion:

I am wondering - can we do away with this PV system? No offence to any parents but it would be fair and square for everyone if all fall under the same category....Well, I know some may beg to differ from my point here but seriously this PV thing is really creating the big hoo-haa - already 2 cases here in JW area [last year West Grove and this year Rulang] :sad:

I suggest the schools seperate PV under distances (Priority given to accept more parents staying within 1km ) The remainings will then to be given for parents staying within 1-2km (depending on individual schools acceptance of how many PV on that year.)Since every year mostly all School PVs is within 1km go for balloting.

At least parents staying within 1km can choose to do PV or go under Phase 2C. This will gives parents within 1km have more chances .
For Singaporean , they thus have total 4 balloting chances whilst those not under Singaporean have total 2 chances .

MY SUGGESTION FAIR ENOUGH?

It's really up to the school. Some schools, I think (suspect), may actually take in more PVs staying 1-2 km to give them a chance to go at it especially if their chance at Phase 2C, 1-2 km, is not too high to reduce some imbalances... of course not forgetting the need to stress that it is not guaranteed. No body can.

On another note, even if you, a Singaporean, are given 400 balloting chances and you stay 1-2km from a school of choice, the PR who stays within 1km and with only 1 ballot chance in his hand will still beat you to the queue... how's that food for thought ???

Call me selfish or what .....I can't help it but to agree and side with those who have remarked earlier that Singaporeans should be given priority over PRs whose registration should be placed in later phases after 1, 2A, 2B and 2C... unless someone have a fairer suggestion :imdrowning: :?:

[dankhim]

LOLMum:

the current system might not be fair to all but at least everyone (rich or poor, well educated or uneducated, living next to or far away from choice school, different races) have a chance to study in elite schools.


going by distance only will only drive up property prices (which only the rich could afford) and transforms an elite school into a TRULY ELITE SCHOOL which only the rich could attend. now is that fair?

this might not affect you if you are already staying near to the school but others will definitely cry foul and more problems will arise.

just because the school is surrounded by hdb doesnt mean the residents there are not going to jack up the prices of their units. so how?

Then either exchange the teachers and principal ((from school A to B and all from B to A) once every ten years? Or exchange the school name? Let think out of the box. :evil:

[h530251]

dankhim:

LOLMum:

the current system might not be fair to all but at least everyone (rich or poor, well educated or uneducated, living next to or far away from choice school, different races) have a chance to study in elite schools.


going by distance only will only drive up property prices (which only the rich could afford) and transforms an elite school into a TRULY ELITE SCHOOL which only the rich could attend. now is that fair?

this might not affect you if you are already staying near to the school but others will definitely cry foul and more problems will arise.

just because the school is surrounded by hdb doesnt mean the residents there are not going to jack up the prices of their units. so how?

Then either exchange the teachers and principal ((from school A to B and all from B to A) once every ten years? Or exchange the school name? Let think out of the box. :evil:

This is actually a very good idea. But 10 years too long.. mayve every 3 years ?

[Scary]

GSK:

Hi Scary


I do agreed with you somehow.
With a 2 chance of balloting slip is meant to me none if I dun even have the chance to ballot.
Anyway, this exercise needs to carry on for this year, now grumble a bit too late. This can only be improve in future, whether to strike off phase 2B or whether Singaporean given priority.
This system definitely making parents to be KS.

Good luck all fellow Singaporean.

I believe the govt knows but not doing anything as the issue is not blown up. Otherwise, they would not change the balloting priority 2 yrs ago.

I still have my balloting chance as I am within 1km of a popular school, but like what you say, my heart goes out to those Singaporeans who are within 1-2km and dun even have the chance to ballot.