Presidential Election 2011

[wapobs]

verykiasu2010:

qms:

[quote=\"verykiasu2010\"]another 'Tan' candidate : Tan Koo Koo

Is that you, verykiasu2010? :scratchhead:

No, he is my brother. I am Tan Chin Koo[/quote]Ooo... Tan CT brudder ah, TT call you uncle leh!

[pinky]

verykiasu2010:

qms:

[quote=\"verykiasu2010\"]another 'Tan' candidate : Tan Koo Koo

Is that you, verykiasu2010? :scratchhead:

No, he is my brother. I am Tan Chin Koo[/quote]do you have another brudder Tan Buay Koo?? :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

[qms]

pinky:

do you have another brudder Tan Buay Koo?? :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

He has another brother called Tan Siang Koo.

[wapobs]

Tan Buay Koo bcoz lost his patience

[pinky]

wapobs:

Tan Buay Koo bcoz lost his patience

Tan Jia Koo has the patience though

[auntieM]

I find TKL's facial expression rather amusing.. :yikes:

..not to mention his 'Englrish'..
Wondering if the twitching and 'wide eye effect' is a personal style.. ...
How to lim kopi with Obama like that.. .. :scratchhead:

[matrix0405]

EXPOSED: No vocation for NSFs in DMERI


In a press statement released today, the Ministry of Defence (MINDEF) claimed that “Dr Patrick Tan’s posting as a defence medical scientist was done ‘according to vocational guidelines’.”

Dr Patrick Tan Boon Ooi, a son of PAP-endorsed candidate Dr Tony Tan served his National Service from 2000 to 2002 as a ‘research scientist’ at the Defence Medical and Environmental Research Institute (DMERI, then called DMRI).

Dr Patrick Tan’s CV stated he was promoted to become a Senior Research Fellow in the same organization in 2004, a position he held till now.

DMERI is a division under the Defence Science Organization (DSO) which builds up technological capabilities for the protection against chemical and biological warfare agents. It also conducts research and development into combat care, human effectiveness, bio-technology and bio-engineering to enhance the safety, survivability and performance of our national forces in hostile battlefield environments. (read more here)
http://www.dso.org.sg/divisions.aspx

DSO is a not-for-profit company limited by guarantee which is incorporated in 1997.

Acording to a tip-off we received from Thomas, a former staff of DSO who was there sometime between 2005 and 2007, he did not encounter any NSFs serving their NS in DMERI or other divisions of DSO.

“The staff at DSO are all full-time staff. There are definitely no NSFs here during my time and there are no ranked personnel, no such thing as a 3rd Sergeant research scientist. DSO employs quite a number of engineers and they are paid at market rates,” he revealed.

A quick check on DSO’s website reveals that its organizational structure is exactly the same as that of a company which is run by a board of directors. (read more here)
http://www.dso.org.sg/directors.aspx


Though there are SAF generals sitting on DSO’s board of directors, there are no COs, OCs, S1, S2 etc which are the usual military positions found in all SAF camps and units.

When we asked Thomas if there are NSmen serving their reservist in DSO, he said it is unlikely:

“DSO basically function like a private company autonomously on its own and separate from MINDEF unlike the Defence Science and Technology Agency (DSTA). It is something like ASTAR. You can’t just walk in here and expect to get a job.”

DSTA is a statutory board set up under the Ministry of Defence (MINDEF). It is responsible for implementing defence technology plans, acquiring defence material and developing defence infrastructure for MINDEF.

To put it plainly, Dr Patrick Tan served his NS in a COMPANY and not in the SAF as according to ‘vocational guidelines’ even though he was paid NS allowance instead of the full salary during his time in DMERI under DSO.

DSO is still hiring new staff on its website. One of the positions on offer is a Communications Engineer for which the following criteria are stipulated:

· Bachelor’s Degree in Electrical / Electronic Engineering
· Knowledge of wireless communications, signal processing and RF engineering
· Experience in MATLAB and C programming
· Experience in VHDL and real-time DSP programming is preferred

(Source: DSO)

Dr Patrick Tan revealed that he disrupted OCS to further his studies at Harvard after which he returned to serve as a 3rd Sergeant during his NS stint at DMERI.

Since DMERI is NOT a SAF unit, how did Dr Patrick Tan attain the rank of a 3rd Sergeant when he did not go through SISPEC? (School of Infantry Specialists)

Dr Patrick Tan should be 33 years old when he ‘ORD’ from DMERI in 2002. He should still have at least 7 years of reservist obligation. Where did he serve his reservist during this period of time?

For the purpose of public accountability and transparency, MINDEF should come clean with Singaporeans and reveal the following:

1. The number of NSFs who serve their NS in DMERI and DSO.

2. The ‘vocational guidelines’ which enabled Dr Patrick Tan to serve his NS in DMERI.

3. The number of high-key and low-key training completed by Dr Patrick Tan.

4. What is Dr Patrick Tan’s NS reservist unit?

While most Singapore men served their NS in tough combat vocations putting their lives in danger at times after which they still have to contend with a 13-year reservist cycle, a combat-fit son of a former Defence Minister served his NS in a company doing something related to his work and not having a NS reservist unit to serve after his ORD.

Is this FAIR? Do you find this acceptable? Are all Singapore men treated equally by MINDEF?

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[kiddo]

matrix0405:

While most Singapore men served their NS in tough combat vocations putting their lives in danger at times after which they still have to contend with a 13-year reservist cycle, a combat-fit son of a former Defence Minister served his NS in a company doing something related to his work and not having a NS reservist unit to serve after his ORD.

Is this FAIR? Do you find this acceptable? Are all Singapore men treated equally by MINDEF?

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Haben change as I know of since the 1st NDP i seen leh :heresmyfish:

whenever DH want to ask Gahment dept of an issue.
I ask him you related to who in Gahment -- so no hope , you can try :evil: good luck :wrongmove:

pardon my engrish i no go school no relation :faint:

[matrix0405]

Dear Patrick Tan:


I read your recent posting on Presidential candidate Tony Tan’s Facebook website. You noted that you are “proud” of your National Service. You further noted that you are upset by rumours that impugn your integrity and that of the “institution of National Service.”

It is great to hear about your pride in serving the nation. Rather than being upset, you should welcome and be forthcoming with respect to questions about your National Service. The issue is not you per se. What is at issue is something much more important and fundamental: Is a single standard being applied to all Singapore citizens? As such, your pride, education, awards, publications, and titles and honors is simply beside the point. To repeat, the question is whether you received preferential treatment with respect to your National Service. To ask this question is not to impugn your integrity or that of the institution of National Service. What is at stake is whether we can trust our government to enforce its laws uniformly and without prejudice. As the late U.S. President Ronald Reagan often noted: trust but verify.

Let’s face it Patrick, the Singapore government is opaque. Its machinations are only privy to a select few insiders. The main stream media is essentially an extension of the government/state. Do we really have a system of checks and balances? This leaves the average Singaporean in the dark. The earlier generation placed blind trust in their political leaders. That goodwill has been destroyed. Our generation believes in greater transparency and holding our politicians accountable. With respect to transparency, U.S. Supreme Court justice Brandeis had remarked that “sunlight is the best disinfectant.” The internet has been a blessing to our cause. Speaking for myself, the goal here is not to cast aspersions on you, your dad, or Singapore’s institutions. Rather, it is to check whether our trust in the Singapore government is well placed (and not misplaced).

You are the son of a former Defence Minister. Your dad is presently seeking the high office of the Presidency. His election to this office will be decided by us voters. This is a hope. There is a chance that he might waltz in if the authorities disqualify the other presidential candidates. We want to make informed decisions. In my view, honor, courage, and trustworthiness trumps academic credentials and experience. While it is easy to verify the latter attributes, the former can only be inferred from one’s actions. This is where you enter the picture. We want to know if your father can be trusted to dutifully carry out his charges rather than taking advantage of his office. So the question is whether your service requirements and deferment were altered to accommodate you. To be perfectly honest, I found your answer evasive on this issue. I found it somewhat similar to Janil Puthucheary equating his medical practice to National Service.

To summarize, the questions raised on your National Service is not an attack on your character. They represent justifiable questions to verify whether our elected officials serve their office in honor rather than taking advantage of their office. I hope you appreciate our point of view and please be more forthcoming. Please tell that to your dad as well since I find his answer equally evasive and dismissive.

The specific questions are as follows:

a. What is the basis for the extended deferment that you received?

b. What is the basis for allowing you to complete your NS in a research function? Are there other examples of such placement?

c. Why did you not finish your officer training?

PYF

[Angelight]

Matrix, are you expecting Dr Tony Tan, or Patrick Tan in particular, to answer all your queries here? Or did you extract it from somewhere and post it here for our info only?


Becos if it’s the former, I doubt the 2 persons above will surf KSP and respond to your questions. Hence it shld be directed to them direct, either thru their FB or email. JMHO.