All About GEP

[tamarind]

This has been discussed in the other thread \"Any parents of gifted children\"


http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=340&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=135

There are parents who believe that their children can get into the GEP by drilling. Some of these children do succeed, and this shows that the GEP selection process is not good enough to identify truly gifted children.

Who knows, some truly gifted children may be denied entry into the GEP ? While those who are not really gifted can enter ?

In any case, I think we as parents should understand the teaching methods of GEP, and consider whether it is suitable for your children. Not all highly gifted kids are suited to the same style of teaching. I believe that some gifted kids may do even better under the traditional methods of teaching.

[heutistmeintag]

I am just wondering aloud if there is a child who is gifted but late developer? If there is, I guess the child will be disadvantaged by the GEP screening and this unfortunate situation may need the screening to be conducted at several levels instead of just at P3…

[jedamum]

heutistmeintag:

I am just wondering aloud if there is a child who is gifted but late developer? If there is, I guess the child will be disadvantaged by the GEP screening and this unfortunate situation may need the screening to be conducted at several levels instead of just at P3..

GEP is not the ultimate label for being gifted.
If the late developer is indeed gifted, he/she will have a lot of doors open for him/her in the future if the parents know how to harass the giftedness.

[tamarind]

jedamum:

GEP is not the ultimate label for being gifted.
If the late developer is indeed gifted, he/she will have a lot of doors open for him/her in the future if the parents know how to harass the giftedness.

I agree. Even before there is GEP, gifted kids were never denied the chance to excel in our education system.

[ChiefKiasu]

Yes, I was confronted by my son with the call for GEP screening a couple of days back. My son asked me if he can go for it. I said, sure you can, but do you know what it is all about. He said that it is about how well he can do in English and Math. So I asked him if he thinks being good in English and Maths makes a person \"gifted\". He says yes, but what about those good in Chinese and Science but not in English? You are right... I said, and how about being good in drawing, craftsmanship, drama, IT, salesmanship, organization, presentation, and being able to convince and lead people? Are being talented in those things not counted as being gifted too? No, he said, I think they are gifted too. So do you need to go for an English and Maths test to let someone tell you whether you are gifted or not? You are already a very special and gifted child to me already, I said. He was quiet.


I signed the form and asked him to decide for himself if he wants to go. He took some time to decide, and finally chose no, not because of what I said, but because he doesn't want to have to switch to another school and lose all his friends if selected :? .

[lizawa]

[quote]He took some time to decide, and finally chose no, not because of what I said, but because he doesn't want to have to switch to another school and lose all his friends if selected Confused [/quote]
Hi Chief,

Interesting. I guess your son must treasure friendship alot, even at this young age, he is afraid of losing all his friends.

I think most parents would want their children to try out, secretly hoping to find out where their child stand through this screening process. I have to admit that I was thinking the same when I told my kids to sit for the screening test at P3.

If the kids can pass round 1 , which is really English and Maths at a higher level, even if they are not selected at round 2, we as parents, are more or less assured that they have achieved or capable of achieving good results for English and Maths. So really, there is no harm trying.

[breguet]

Yeah Chief, I thought your son is quite a sentimental one. My perspective is to ask the child to take it, but like you, de-emphasize the outcome. If push comes to shove and the kid gets in, then it’s decision time. Otherwise, it’s another day!


Sometimes though, the attitudes of their friends may affect them. So all the more, us parents may want to take it as breezily as possible so that we don’t pass down any of our anxiety.

[ZacK]

heutistmeintag:

I am just wondering aloud if there is a child who is gifted but late developer? If there is, I guess the child will be disadvantaged by the GEP screening and this unfortunate situation may need the screening to be conducted at several levels instead of just at P3..

This has always been my peeve with the system... There are kids who develope much later. With the streaming system, it is not impossible but it would be difficult for them to switch out to other areas where they have interests or gifts in later.

My own case...

1. I was not very motivated and lazy (I should say) when I was younger, so have been sort of an average student able to get by with minimum study.
2. Subsequently got \"streamed\" into Technical in secondary school and went along with that as I didnt know what my interests were.
3. Went to JC and thinking I wanted to be a doctor, did triple science and maths... Kinda of obvious that it would take a miracle for me to pass. I flopped badly... But I had fun there at least :lol:
4. The following year switched to Poly and did electronics engineering because that was the hottest course during my time and I managed to get in :roll:
5. Anyway managed to graduate even though I was hardly interested in the course. Found a job that sort of was relevant to what I studied and was there for a year.
6. Subsequently landed in a 2nd job that was more related to business and finance. Took up further courses of study in the current work area. Spent lots of more time and $$$ to be adequately equipped for my role.
7. Stayed in the same industry for more than 10 years now... Although I'm not worse off compared with my peers in Poly... Still not a Uni graduate as I do not like to obtain papers for the sake of getting it.
8. Think I turned out fairly well and still able to \"survive\" through sheer diligence, high EQ, confident and being self-motivated to produce good quality work.

So if I take myself as a living example... I do not think that streaming is useful or at least at too young an age. I probably will not stress my son to achieve high grades or good results (But I guess for many parents, good grades equates to smart kids equates to parents looking good :oops: )... But concentrate more on building him up to be self-motivated, confident and being sensitive to his surroundings. I think this will be the core attributes that will be able to see him survive on his own.

[ZacK]

ChiefKiasu:

Yes, I was confronted by my son with the call for GEP screening a couple of days back. My son asked me if he can go for it. I said, sure you can, but do you know what it is all about. He said that it is about how well he can do in English and Math. So I asked him if he thinks being good in English and Maths makes a person \"gifted\". He says yes, but what about those good in Chinese and Science but not in English? You are right... I said, and how about being good in drawing, craftsmanship, drama, IT, salesmanship, organization, presentation, and being able to convince and lead people? Are being talented in those things not counted as being gifted too? No, he said, I think they are gifted too. So do you need to go for an English and Maths test to let someone tell you whether you are gifted or not? You are already a very special and gifted child to me already, I said. He was quiet.


I signed the form and asked him to decide for himself if he wants to go. He took some time to decide, and finally chose no, not because of what I said, but because he doesn't want to have to switch to another school and lose all his friends if selected :? .

Hmmm... I like the way you handled this situation... Hope I'll still remember this when my time comes

[MMM]

Yes, I fully agree with you Zack. I was a late bloomer myself.


I never know what is the objective of study in my younger days. My parents are just pushing me to pass to next level but they never set any expectation on me. I think they are relieve so long as I pass.

I went to Normal stream after PSLE. It was only in sec 3 that I discover how good it felt to do well in exams and that the teachers recognise me. This pushed me to work hard and I did well for my "N" and subsequently "O". As there wasn’t a single science subject in my "O" since the principal felt that normal stream students shouldn’t take any as they can’t cope. I couldn’t qualify for Poly unless those biz subjects which was very competitive. My "O" scores though not bad just wasn’t good enough to let me do a biz diploma.

Iso doing "A" as I felt I was already a year behind, I went to do pte diploma. Not fully aware of the recognition aspect even though I won book prizes. I had my 1st job in a bank and as my diploma was not as recognise as poly I had to start from a clerk. But I think my bosses like my working attitude and wanted to promote me the following year. But I left the banking industry to pursue another area.

All is not lost as I eventually went on to do my degree and prof papers. Just 2 days ago, my mum met my pri school friend’s mum. This friend did well since young, went to top school and is a scholar. The mum told my mum how much this friend of mine is earning currently. FYI, I am still earning at least few k more than him though I went thru a much complicated route.

Undeniably I feel "good" in a sense that despite that I was never top, that does not mean I will be significantly worse off than my top peers. I feel that it’s fate sometimes where I get to meet the right people and was given the right opp at the right time to bring me where I am today. Also, I think my working attitude also helps. So yes, I want my kids to excel and dun go through the same route as me. But seeing myself, there is never a guarantee that if you are a top student, you will definitely have a brighter future.