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    Presidential Election 2011

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    • 3 Offline
      3Boys
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      This is a real political awakening for Singapore. We don’t happily swallow what the g’ment throws our way. This hash of a position called the elected Presidency will collapse under its own contradictions at some point, and will need to be redefined. At the same time, the opposition, being thrust to the fore, are being judged what they can deliver, as opposed to what they PROMISE to deliver. I’m glad people are not jumping on the anti-estab position for the sake of being anti-estab. The political debate is very immature right now for a country at our level of development, but we can only get better. Fasten your seatbelts, its going to be an interesting decade.

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        raysusan
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        [quote]In 1987, 22 people were detained without trial under the ISA under Operation Spectrum – “a security operation which saw 22 young Roman Catholic church and social activists and professionals detained, without trial, under the internal security law, accused of being members of an alleged Marxist conspiracy bent on subverting the PAP-ruled government by force, and replacing it with a Marxist state” (see HERE).


        I just want some soft words for those who were so unjustly mistreated in 1987, and the Presidential candidates should give me some peace, in that if you’re elected, would you be protecting us the citizens if something like this happened again?

        Is it too much to expect? The government is never going to apologize or admit any wrong. Could the candidates now as part of their campaign for Presidency give the people some kind of simple show of compassion and hope?
        An excerpt from much anticipated The Online Citizen interview with Dr Tan Cheng Bock reads:

        “When asked whether he still feels the ‘Marxist conspirators’ are guilty, Dr Tan says with a tone of sincerity, “I really feel they are innocent. They are all social workers and they meant well but unfortunately…(trails off)”
        He adds, “I saw the ex-detainees and I really do feel for them. But at that time I believed the information that was given to me.”

        Unfortunately the video interview does not show this at all. In fact what Dr Tan says in the video is:

        “this is a very sensitive subject… ” and “when all this appeared on the net, I was told to be very careful”

        TOLD??? TOLD BY WHOM?

        I posted a question on Dr Tan Cheng Bock’s Facebook page, I asked:

        “Dr Tan, with respect, there is a question that is burning in my mind and I guess I should just ask it. Knowing what you know today, would you have acted differently with regard to the so-called Marxist Conspirators of 1987? would you heed David Marshall’s call to “save the innocent Teo Soh Lung & Kevin De Souza?”

        My question was ignored and eventually deleted from his page. It makes me want to ignore and delete him too.

        Friends, I’m just trying to figure out who to vote as our next President.
        Someone said on my FB, “you mean you even considered voting for Dr Tony Tan?” Yes, actually I did. But not now. Not after watching him speak on videos – he is so terribly uninspiring and not as sweet as he looks in pictures. Moving pictures tell a different story, he scares the hell out of me actually. And certainly not after the shameless plugging of the Straits Times, beginning with the endorsement by our Prime Minister.

        Now I am looking for an alternative. And to everyone’s surprise, Tan Jee Say has got his Certificate of Entitlement. Also I’m not sure if its the savvy “I know how to campaign” Dr Tan Cheng Bock yet.

        My dad met Dr Tan Cheng Bock in church few weeks ago, and said he was going to vote for him. But he has now changed his mind, on his own accord!

        Teo Soh Lung was right. Change has begun.

        Four eligibles for the Elected Presidency. Who would’ve thought we would see the day. People are saying so and so should step down so as not to split the vote etc. I don’t think anyone should give way to anyone else. There is something I learnt from one of my characters in “cooling off day“.

        I will not vote according to who I think stands a chance or not. I will not vote in a politically savvy way. I will vote with my heart, my mind, my soul. It is my vote, and it is precious.
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          raysusan
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          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rggPsdKg4CE&feature=player_embedded#at=58


          Tan Jee Say: fundamental issues of conscience

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            limlim
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            raysusan:

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            err.. who is that? or you wrote one? 😉

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              raysusan
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              limlim:
              raysusan:


              __________________

              err.. who is that? or you wrote one? 😉

              ops i forget the link

              http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/08/neo-swee-lin-its-my-vote-and-its-precious/

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                Strparent
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                Raysusan,


                I agree with you and yr views.

                We should consider this EP very carefully. There are a lot of contents in the free media ( not our newspaper, not our TV news ) which show the broader picture and tells more about the 4 candidates AND the role of the president.

                It is the people's choice and the people MUST decide after doing some homework, not go with the masses, not because it is the thing they they must do, and definitely not because they are kiasi.

                I agree with http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/08/neo-swee-lin-its-my-vote-and-its-precious/ on several issues as well. I have always feel the 2 candidates most suitable for this position to do a good job, project a good image, and ALSO to safeguard the people's interest in the reserves, would be TCB and TJS.
                [quote]Someone said on my FB, “you mean you even considered voting for Dr Tony Tan?” Yes, actually I did. But not now. Not after watching him speak on videos – he is so terribly uninspiring and not as sweet as he looks in pictures. Moving pictures tell a different story, he scares the hell out of me actually. And certainly not after the shameless plugging of the Straits Times, beginning with the endorsement by our Prime Minister.[/quote]This is my exact personal feeling as well. Simply uninspiring and a lot 'siam arrow taiji' to sensitive questions. I know some videos and articles are too biased and paint an unfair extreme negative image, but in these content, there should be some part truths as well, no ?

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkBlcxt50as&feature=feedlik

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgIATOVyJzw&feature=feedu

                http://veritas-lux.blogspot.com/2011/06/nepotism-cronyism-1-how-tony-tan-is.html



                Somehow I feel TCB is trying to hard, and wonder when it comes to the hardball tactics by the ruling party, I wonder if he will stand firm. I am very sure TJS will, and he probably will have the endorsement from most opposition parties ( as ex-SDP, and even Nicole Seah has endorsed ).

                http://www.tanchengbock.org/

                http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/07/tan-jee-say-why-i-want-to-be-president/

                But TJS is not as charismatic or likeable as TCB, but then neither is TKL nor TT.

                Therefore, as Neo Swee Lin mentioned[quote]Four eligibles for the Elected Presidency. Who would’ve thought we would see the day. People are saying so and so should step down so as not to split the vote etc. I don’t think anyone should give way to anyone else. There is something I learnt from one of my characters in “cooling off day“.

                I will not vote according to who I think stands a chance or not. I will not vote in a politically savvy way. I will vote with my heart, my mind, my soul. It is my vote, and it is precious.[/quote]

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                  Angelight
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                  Surprise! Surprise! In today’s straits times, TKL hinted he may withdraw from the EP…wonder what causes him to change his mind. After all, he has been planning for this for so many years…

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                    limlim
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                    Strparent:


                    This is my exact personal feeling as well. Simply uninspiring and a lot 'siam arrow taiji' to sensitive questions. I know some videos and articles are too biased and paint an unfair extreme negative image, but in these content, there should be some part truths as well, no ?

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkBlcxt50as&feature=feedlik

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgIATOVyJzw&feature=feedu

                    http://veritas-lux.blogspot.com/2011/06/nepotism-cronyism-1-how-tony-tan-is.html



                    Somehow I feel TCB is trying to hard, and wonder when it comes to the hardball tactics by the ruling party, I wonder if he will stand firm. I am very sure TJS will, and he probably will have the endorsement from most opposition parties ( as ex-SDP, and even Nicole Seah has endorsed ).

                    http://www.tanchengbock.org/

                    http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/07/tan-jee-say-why-i-want-to-be-president/

                    But TJS is not as charismatic or likeable as TCB, but then neither is TKL nor TT.
                    Thanks for sharing.. 😉 😉

                    Guess I'm not gonna spoil the vote liao.. :evil: :evil:

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                      limlim
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                      Strparent:


                      http://www.tanchengbock.org/
                      Just to share.. that article mentioned TCB..

                      http://www.emmanueldaniel.com/?p=369

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                        tankee
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                        \"If somebody tells me he will vote for me if I take a pay cut, I don't know whether I'm actually compromising principles - that is, actually, I'm buying your vote\" - Dr Tan


                        :? I don't follow his argument. By his arguments, all political parties have been \"buying\" our votes with their campaign promises.

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