How this EM3 student became a PhD scholar

[3Boys]

Mdm Koh:

I think it's because for every one guy who makes it into the newspapers, there are thousands more who fall through the cracks.

If he was not interested in studies back then, could the school have done something more to help him, instead of streaming him into EM3?

So are you saying all EM 3 students should be PhD scholars? I asked the question in an earlier post, what is a reasonable amount of effort that should be expended per student in a public education system.

[verykiasu2010]

so the offending word is ‘EM3’ … it does not exist anymore, by the way

[Mdm Koh]

3Boys:

Mdm Koh:

I think it's because for every one guy who makes it into the newspapers, there are thousands more who fall through the cracks.

If he was not interested in studies back then, could the school have done something more to help him, instead of streaming him into EM3?

So are you saying all EM 3 students should be PhD scholars? I asked the question in an earlier post, what is a reasonable amount of effort that should be expended per student in a public education system.

verykiasu2010:

so the offending word is 'EM3' ..... it does not exist anymore, by the way

I am saying that some of them should not have been in EM3.

We still have NA and NT in secondary schools. I can understand the rationale behind having an NA stream, but I think that NT is not really necessary.

[verykiasu2010]

Mdm Koh:

3Boys:

[quote=\"Mdm Koh\"]
I think it's because for every one guy who makes it into the newspapers, there are thousands more who fall through the cracks.

If he was not interested in studies back then, could the school have done something more to help him, instead of streaming him into EM3?

So are you saying all EM 3 students should be PhD scholars? I asked the question in an earlier post, what is a reasonable amount of effort that should be expended per student in a public education system.

verykiasu2010:

so the offending word is 'EM3' ..... it does not exist anymore, by the way

I am saying that some of them should not have been in EM3.

We still have NA and NT in secondary schools. I can understand the rationale behind having an NA stream, but I think that NT is not really necessary.[/quote]it is just a name

by whatever name, streaming / grouping is unavoidable

if your child is good in his / her study, you would complain to high heaven if a gangster-type who does bother with study is included in his / herclass of high achievers

[3Boys]

Mdm Koh:

I am saying that some of them should not have been in EM3.

We still have NA and NT in secondary schools. I can understand the rationale behind having an NA stream, but I think that NT is not really necessary.

And I agree. But there is no perfect streaming system, and as long as those who get mis-categorised early on get a chance to recover, I think we are doing well, don't you?

Or are you saying we do away with streaming altogether?

I think that hurts the weaker students and the stronger students from poor families, the well off can always supplement with tons of enrichment.

[Mdm Koh]

verykiasu2010:

it is just a name

by whatever name, streaming / grouping is unavoidable

if your child is good in his / her study, you would complain to high heaven if a gangster-type who does bother with study is included in his / herclass of high achievers

Isn't your \"gangster type\" comment yet another pitfall of the streaming? It's a stereotype. You're equating poor results with poor behaviour.

[verykiasu2010]

Mdm Koh:

verykiasu2010:

it is just a name

by whatever name, streaming / grouping is unavoidable

if your child is good in his / her study, you would complain to high heaven if a gangster-type who does bother with study is included in his / herclass of high achievers

Isn't your \"gangster type\" comment yet another pitfall of the streaming? It's a stereotype. You're equating poor results with poor behaviour.

yes 100% agreed; and schools have no more EM3, only have NT/NA

so streaming system is IMperfect, but is necessary

if we want to be politically correct, then we will end up like UK recently in the street riots and hooliganism. It will take some years to reach there, like UK. Yesterday Sunday Times had a good article on it

[Mdm Koh]

3Boys:

Mdm Koh:

I am saying that some of them should not have been in EM3.

We still have NA and NT in secondary schools. I can understand the rationale behind having an NA stream, but I think that NT is not really necessary.

And I agree. But there is no perfect streaming system, and as long as those who get mis-categorised early on get a chance to recover, I think we are doing well, don't you?

Or are you saying we do away with streaming altogether?

I think that hurts the weaker students and the stronger students from poor families, the well off can always supplement with tons of enrichment.

I agree that there's no perfect system, but I think that over-streaming does more harm than good. It's very, very difficult to recover lost ground. Once a student is streamed into NT, his choices will be limited.

[KSP]

verykiasu2010:

so the offending word is 'EM3' ..... it does not exist anymore, by the way

actually the streaming for weaker students at primary level is still there.... is just that they have renamed it as foundation class.....

[3Boys]

Mdm Koh:

3Boys:

[quote=\"Mdm Koh\"]
I am saying that some of them should not have been in EM3.

We still have NA and NT in secondary schools. I can understand the rationale behind having an NA stream, but I think that NT is not really necessary.

And I agree. But there is no perfect streaming system, and as long as those who get mis-categorised early on get a chance to recover, I think we are doing well, don't you?

Or are you saying we do away with streaming altogether?

I think that hurts the weaker students and the stronger students from poor families, the well off can always supplement with tons of enrichment.

I agree that there's no perfect system, but I think that over-streaming does more harm than good. It's very, very difficult to recover lost ground. Once a student is streamed into NT, his choices will be limited.[/quote]Alright, I hear you. We should not overstream, I agree. In an utopian system, there ought to be 1;1 attention, so that each child gets pushed to his or her individual limit. Its tough enough with my own kids to even know what that is, to be honest! But in a public-shared education system, I guess there needs to be some compromise.

Cheers.