Foreign Workers
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Kissgurami:
Resume I guess is no problem, because I have got other offers..
There are 2 situations on-going and each of us have a tale to tell :imanangel:
not to agitate you :please: but a few things
- Resume , know for a fact over-sell is also a over kill
- Presentation Skills and Chemistry , seriously I have seen FT, they do excel in this areas (whether they are actually awesome on Job is a different thing), the main thing is to cross the interview hurdle no?
I'm just puzzled why these companies in Jurong/Woodlands never call me.. Aren't they facing shortage of workers?
And, got to agree with you, most FTs are really good at selling themselves..
Whether they're good on the job is different story.. -
verykiasu2010:
:rotflmao: that's our thoughts internally as well accompanied with the uncouth \"3 letter words\" :imanangel:
may be our HR and placement agents were all useless .... but they show me all the application letters : 1 to 10, citizen vs foreigners -
verykiasu2010:
Finance position ar..?
I was in Jurong for more than 10 years, Singaporean MNC, global operation of more than 15,000 workers, 8 countries. I ran the finance dept, I was willing to pay up to S$15k per month plus housing plus car to place an FC in China - no taker from Singaporeans - after 6 months, got a Malaysian for the same position for half the price, need only housing don't need car on location. Recruiting for finance managers in Singapore operations - $6k to $8k, stock options, car allowances, 5 day week, corporate benefits like holiday villa (company owned), family medical insurance, dental etc etc -- no takers because we are in Jurong. Malaysians came and took the job, $4k only...but we also give the same benefits because corporate policy is all singapore-based employees have same benefits -- no discrimination
may be our HR and placement agents were all useless .... but they show me all the application letters : 1 to 10, citizen vs foreigners
If it is engineering position I would applied immediately......
Mebbe singaporean bankers, or those in finance had it too easy already..
If it is engineering post.. with such offer.. probably snapped up in a blink..
Anyway, we're talking abt different industries.. so.. let's not debate further.. perhaps for your case, it is indeed better to get foreigner. -
limlim:
we agree to disagree
Finance position ar..?verykiasu2010:
I was in Jurong for more than 10 years, Singaporean MNC, global operation of more than 15,000 workers, 8 countries. I ran the finance dept, I was willing to pay up to S$15k per month plus housing plus car to place an FC in China - no taker from Singaporeans - after 6 months, got a Malaysian for the same position for half the price, need only housing don't need car on location. Recruiting for finance managers in Singapore operations - $6k to $8k, stock options, car allowances, 5 day week, corporate benefits like holiday villa (company owned), family medical insurance, dental etc etc -- no takers because we are in Jurong. Malaysians came and took the job, $4k only...but we also give the same benefits because corporate policy is all singapore-based employees have same benefits -- no discrimination
may be our HR and placement agents were all useless .... but they show me all the application letters : 1 to 10, citizen vs foreigners
If it is engineering position I would applied immediately......
Mebbe singaporean bankers, or those in finance had it too easy already..
If it is engineering post.. with such offer.. probably snapped up in a blink..
Anyway, we're talking abt different industries.. so.. let's not debate further.. perhaps for your case, it is indeed better to get foreigner.
as for engineering people in the sector we were in, we had to provide scholarships to secure the people we need
I ran the finance, but we are engineering and manufacturing -
limlim:
I am referring to S pass. S pass require a minimum of $2000 as starting salary. Talking about 9hrs x 5 work day with all the annual leaves, performance bonuses, AWL, etc. My operations are not located in ulu places, they are all near MRTs. Those that are a bit more ulu as in not within walking distance from MRT, we provide transport allowance. Even then we are not talking about Jurong island, just some private estates.
It's easy to just give a vague account of how difficult it is to employ locals..Funz:
I agree. Singapore employees have to bear some responsibility for this so called 'hiring of foreigners trend'. Though I will say that it has been blown out of proportion.
Jialat gonna get hantam for saying that.
Ok, wrote too much oredi. Gonna kenna
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Why don't you state what are the job scope, working hours and the salary that you're paying to allow viewers to better judge the situation?
Let the facts speak for itself.
There are companies offering $900/mth for 10hrs working hours in some ulu places and complaining that they cannot find local workers. How you expect locals to survive on $900/mth?
Is locals asking for too much?
I throw back the same comments to you. Easy to make vague accounts about how employers choose foreigners over locals. Why don't you state what are the job scope, working hours and the salary that these companies are not paying the locals but hiring the foreigners. Let the facts speak for itself too.
Are some locals asking too much or being too picky.
There is always 2 sides to a coin. For every anecdote that one can come up for one story, there will be others who will be able to tell another opposing story.
I am not saying that there aren't people who are truly experiencing difficulties finding placement due to competition from foreigners, I wondering is the so called 'favouring' of foreigners as employees truly so prevalent that the majority of locals' lifelihood is threatened? Or is it a sentiment and resentment as the pickings for the locals are now leaner since there is competition for them from these foreigners?
It is easy to always point our fingers at external sources for our woes but I think we should bear some responsibility as well. -
Funz:
Please refer to the below case since you asked for examples.. All the details are there.
I throw back the same comments to you. Easy to make vague accounts about how employers choose foreigners over locals. Why don't you state what are the job scope, working hours and the salary that these companies are not paying the locals but hiring the foreigners. Let the facts speak for itself too.
The employer is requesting for more foreign workers bcoz he cannot get locals. And he is paying below market rate.
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showpost.php?p=57633304&postcount=1
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showpost.php?p=57633768&postcount=15 -
verykiasu2010:
What's the pay package for engineers in your company? such that you can't get local workers..
we agree to disagree
as for engineering people in the sector we were in, we had to provide scholarships to secure the people we need
I ran the finance, but we are engineering and manufacturing -
Our industries don’t operate in a vacuum, they complete globally.
If they pay a large premium for salaries here vs what companies in other countries pay for the same amount of productivity, they will be out of business soon, and locals (as well as foreigners) will be out of the job.
Repeat that often enough, and we will have an unemployment problem, no need to talk about FT.
Singapore based companies ALREADY pay a premium over neighbouring countries, otherwise, why are they flocking here to work as opposed to staying in their home countries? Are you then asking for a PREMIUM over premium for Singaporeans?
I believe MOST local hiring managers will prefer to hire a Singaporean, compared to a foreigner, all things being equal. MANY hiring managers, will pay a SMALL premium for Singaporeans, SOME, will pay a large premium…
…if you can find someone who is willing and can do the job. But you can never escape the fact that the benchmark is set by the lowest denominator. MNCs will benchmark, if you pay over the odds, HQ will ask you, "Why?". And if you do it too often, maybe you won’t be the hiring manager for too much longer.
Seagate left, but before they left, they paid good salaries over many decades to our production workers. If we did not allow foreign workers, they would have left much earlier.
These are very simple and basic truths.
If those factories closed and left, who do you think will suffer the most?
The skilled, talented and well-off, they will have options, they will go where the work is.
The less skilled, Mr Ordinary Joe, what’s he got left to do?
The reason foreign workers are allowed in are so that industries that are not otherwise viable, can exist in Singapore. And say what you might, those industries are mutually supportive and synergistic, so there are knock-ons for Singaporeans and Singaporean businesses. That’s the strength of the system. We are borrowing talent to create a special economic system that will not otherwise be possible, create the types of jobs that would not otherwise exist here, in this little Red Dot in the middle of South East Asia. We have no hinterland, we have a miniscule domestic market, and we have a workforce smaller than a single Tier 2 Chinese city.
We can’t do it on our own. Not even the USA does it on its own, and they have 300 million people. -
10 years ago, when there is not so many foreign workers, was there high unemployment?
I don’t believe that the local economy cannot be sustained and there will be high unemployment if there is no flooding of foreign workers.
Of coz, the GDP grow will not be as stellar…
But it doesn’t mean Sg cannot survive…
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