Top Primary school?

[super_dad]

jedamum:

but then again, how do you rank 'top schools'?

Those that produces the 15 tops students or those whose A and A* rates are very high? The neighbourhood schools although do produce some exceptional top students, but comparing the overall results, the 'more popular' schools do have A and A* psle scores above national averages.

Actually, my feeling is that it is not a fair comparison. Good schools attract good students, therefore the chances of them having good results. So, attributing this to the good facilities or teachers...not quite.

[ChiefKiasu]

super_dad:

Actually, my feeling is that it is not a fair comparison. Good schools attract good students, therefore the chances of them having good results. So, attributing this to the good facilities or teachers...not quite.

Absolutely. That's why by right the GEP schools should always dominate the top 15 rankings since they should have the best students by the dozens. Yet we are finding that this is not the case. Strange... but perhaps it's because nature will always find a way?

In any group, there will always be dominating leaders. So your kid might already be good but when you send him to a class where there are better ones, he might end up trailing the rest and that sets him on a path of low esteem even amongst the best.

On the other hand, those that remain outside GEP will find that they no longer need to compete with the \"best\", and start gaining the confidence of being winners.

So those that force their children to become \"artificially intelligent\" hoping they might be part of the elite may be doing the kids a big disfavour should the kids somehow manage to get into the GEP classes from those highly arbitrary IQ tests.

[kiasukiasi]

in my opinion, I do not believe in ranking primary schools as these are totally nonsense…


Primary school is an early stage of education for young kids especially from P1-P3. We should not emphasis too much on academic results.

By ranking schools, it put pressure to the principals to emphasis on results & thus favours better students than the average students. This will have negative effect on the average students… Education have to be fair to ALL students…

this is just my opinion and i hope parents will not pressure your kids and let them have a memorable childhood rather than a pressure childhood…

[Mami_Jazz]

kiasukiasi:

in my opinion, I do not believe in ranking primary schools as these are totally nonsense...


Primary school is an early stage of education for young kids especially from P1-P3. We should not emphasis too much on academic results.

By ranking schools, it put pressure to the principals to emphasis on results & thus favours better students than the average students. This will have negative effect on the average students.. Education have to be fair to ALL students..

this is just my opinion and i hope parents will not pressure your kids and let them have a memorable childhood rather than a pressure childhood..

Yeah Yeah Yeah ... i support your opinion ....its too young to see how \"Good\" a child is at early age .....they just have a very good memory :lol: Just my personal opinion

[jedamum]

kiasukiasi:

in my opinion, I do not believe in ranking primary schools .

they should start with scraping off the various phases for P1 registration.
*wink at Jazz*

[Mami_Jazz]

jedamum:

kiasukiasi:

in my opinion, I do not believe in ranking primary schools .

they should start with scraping off the various phases for P1 registration.
*wink at Jazz*

hahahaha .....why jealous ar :lol:

[ChiefKiasu]

kiasukiasi:

in my opinion, I do not believe in ranking primary schools as these are totally nonsense...

Actually, based on your arguments, it could be more important to have the primary school ranking so that you can AVOID the \"good\" schools, in case you accidentally choose one that is so pressurizing

Or you can choose one that is good in sports or character development.

Without such ranking, how do we know which school is good for what other than by hearsay?

[kiasukiasi]

Let’s put it this way…


If all schools are equal in standards & teachings etc, parents will not have to go thru the stressful registration process to get into the top schools. Imagine that: no more volunteer, no need to donate, etc… How nice…

Good schools or top schools is all in our mindset… Neighbourhood schools can also produce top students…

The reason why MOE had forego the ranking systems is because they realise that principals nowadays is forgetting the importance of education. Principals are more concerned about the school’s reputation than the child’s progress…Education is not about academic…

this is just my own opinion as I pity my son who is in P1 now in one of the so called good school in the east…

[ChiefKiasu]

kiasukiasi:

Let's put it this way...


If all schools are equal in standards & teachings etc, parents will not have to go thru the stressful registration process to get into the top schools. Imagine that: no more volunteer, no need to donate, etc.. How nice...

Good schools or top schools is all in our mindset.. Neighbourhood schools can also produce top students..

The reason why MOE had forego the ranking systems is because they realise that principals nowadays is forgetting the importance of education. Principals are more concerned about the school's reputation than the child's progress...Education is not about academic..

this is just my own opinion as I pity my son who is in P1 now in one of the so called good school in the east..

Yup... you are absolutely right about what we want as parents... that all schools are equal in standards and procedures, etc. But in practice, just as everyone is not born equal, schools are also not equal, even if they are all teaching the same curriculum. Simple reason - teachers are all different. And teachers are the most critical element in a primary school. I was lucky to have a great P1 teacher during my time - she made an ENORMOUS difference in how I turned out - from being last the kindergarten K2 to first boy in P1. Not because I was particularly smart, but she somehow encouraged me to want to be better than what I was. Things would have been very different if it was a different teacher.

Most teachers are human too - they want recognition just like the next guy. And the easiest way to achieve recognition is to go teach at the \"good\" schools with the \"best\" students to maximize their chance of training potential top scoring students in the nation. These schools also tend to be well supported by MoE, which means that teachers will get better training aids, facilities, welfare, etc. So it's easy to see why the \"good\" schools tend to have the best trained and supported teachers, which means that children will have the best chance of getting educated by such teachers. Of course, we can argue that we want teachers that sincerely want to help the poorer students excel, and not those that only want to teach good students - but let's face it... such dedicated teachers like my P1 teacher are few and hard to find.

And the other reason why parents want to send their children to good schools is the hope that their children will benefit from the interaction with other good children. Of course, this could backfire by giving the children lots of stress through the heated competition, but it probably the \"safer\" approach in the grand scheme of things.

The fact is, ranking or not, principals will always be focused on pass statistics and school reputation, because those are their KPIs. And even if the info is not public, the principals are well appraised of their school's performance by the MoE in relation to the rest.

MoE took down the ranking system primarily because parents were trying all kinds of ways to get into the top schools, leaving the other schools empty and looking for students. They needed to balance out the distribution of students. Secondary schools continue to be ranked, although they made enhancements to rank in other terms beside academic excellence, such as character development and physical and aesthetics.

[kk88]

Hi,


would like to check whether is phase 2A(2) sufficient to get my son into ACS (P)?

Thanks