Good article - what teachers want to really tell parents
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autumnbronze:
manners..?pinky:
do you think parents will demand teachers: what can you do to help my child achieve 4A* in the coming PSLE or 6 pointers in the O levels?
This has been demanded by a pupil before as experienced by a friend. On the first day of her teaching career, the pupil arrogantly asked her \"what have you got to teach that I don't already know?\" :roll: -
jtoh:
Degree holders with honors..
How much do teachers and engineers draw these days? In my stone age teachers had rather meagre salaries and engineers much better salaries.limlim:
Actually, I find teaches 1 of the job with the most benefits.. and salary is comparable or better than other professions requirement similar qualifications, especially engineers.
Engineers in MNC, maybe $2200 ~ $2800?
Teachers, $3200 (during training at NIE).
These are starting pay. I guess, civil servant increment is higher then a number of MNCs/manufacturing.
Yes, in the olden days, teachers are not well paid.. but over the last decade, it has changed greatly.. nowadays, teachers enjoy much better pay and benefits.. and there are also various allowances, and also some \"cash\" incentives if they stay in the profession for x number of years.. etc.. -
sall:
I'm just sharing my experience.To limlim,
If your child's sch happens to conduct fire-drill for half a day, that does not mean every sch in S'pore is doing that.sall:
I didn't say that it is the same. but fundamentally, it involves teaching, althou teacher may have additional admin duties. Whatever it is, it is part of the job scope and remuneration package. In many industries, it's common to have cross functional duties.. isn't it?You may have taught in a private sch or tuition centre. This is very different from teaching in a govt sch. There is no basis for comparison.
sall:
Apparently, they did not always make the right choice..If MOE does not choose carefully and all Tom, Dick or Harry can join the teaching profession, then more parents will be complaining. We should be thankful MOE is choosy.
I say MOE is choosy doesn't meant they're doing the correct screening.. who knows what they're looking for.. And, looking at the type of teachers my students had.. I really had no faith in their judgement.sall:
yeah.. sure.. I'm expecting this type of response right from the very beginning.You have to teach in a govt sch to understand the work of teachers. Please show respect for them instead of just declaring how 'shiok' teaching is.
Many people may be applying to be teachers because they, like you, think that teaching is so 'shiok'.
\"You have to teach in a govt sch to understand the work of teachers. \"
That's the most common defense.
In the same principle, you can't understand how difficult it is to be a bus captain, you can't understand how difficult it is to maintain the MRTs, you can't understand how difficult it is to be a million dollar minister, you can't understand how difficult it is to be a million dollar president, you can't understand how difficult it is to be the CEO of SMRT, , you can't understand how difficult it is to be a taxi driver etc etc.. until you experience it yourself.. the list never ends..
So, stop complaining about irregular bus timings, train breakdowns, millionaire ministers, millionaire presidents, millionaire SMRT CEO, reckless taxi drivers.. because we never experience it, we are not in a position to comment.
And, in the same context, one should not complain about terrible tasting food unless you're a cook yourselves to understand how difficult it is to cook..
Is that right? IMO, no. Every job has a price to it. You are paid for what you're supposed to do and deliver. we compare based on industrial practices and market rate. Generally, teachers are quite well paid.
Actually, I already pre-empt with \"which profession has no stress\".. who can come in and say you have a easy and overpaid job? good for you then.
holidays after holidays.. kids no need to attend school, and parents still have to pay for the school bus, kindergarten fees etc..
I respect committed and good teachers, if I encounter one. I guess some of the teachers who taught me in the past are quite good.. as students, we can tell.
However, seems that standards are dropping.. -
limlim:
Degree holders with honors..
How much do teachers and engineers draw these days? In my stone age teachers had rather meagre salaries and engineers much better salaries.jtoh:
[quote=\"limlim\"]
Actually, I find teaches 1 of the job with the most benefits.. and salary is comparable or better than other professions requirement similar qualifications, especially engineers.
Engineers in MNC, maybe $2200 ~ $2800?
Teachers, $3200 (during training at NIE).
These are starting pay. I guess, civil servant increment is higher then a number of MNCs/manufacturing.
Yes, in the olden days, teachers are not well paid.. but over the last decade, it has changed greatly.. nowadays, teachers enjoy much better pay and benefits.. and there are also various allowances, and also some \"cash\" incentives if they stay in the profession for x number of years.. etc..[/quote]$3200 as starting pay during training at NIE? That's very high. I would assume that it was lower during training. -
limlim:
:goodpost: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
manners..?autumnbronze:
This has been demanded by a pupil before as experienced by a friend. On the first day of her teaching career, the pupil arrogantly asked her \"what have you got to teach that I don't already know?\" :roll: -
Just curious, how much would a teacher be earning now if he/she has been teaching for the past 10 years?
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jtoh:
$3200 as starting pay during training at NIE? That's very high. I would assume that it was lower during training.[/quote]
Yes, in the olden days, teachers are not well paid.. but over the last decade, it has changed greatly.. nowadays, teachers enjoy much better pay and benefits.. and there are also various allowances, and also some \"cash\" incentives if they stay in the profession for x number of years.. etc..limlim:
[quote=\"jtoh\"]
How much do teachers and engineers draw these days? In my stone age teachers had rather meagre salaries and engineers much better salaries.
http://www.moe.gov.sg/careers/teach/career-info/salary/
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\"You will receive a full monthly salary while teaching in schools or undergoing NIE training.\"
Qualifications \tGross Starting Salary
Pass Degree \t$2,770
Pass with Merit \t$2,900
Honours \t$3,100 to $3,250
[/quote]The $3,200 should be for those with NS. -
I am a full time music trainer for primary schools and I can say I have the greatest respects for full time teachers at government schools. Although I teach, my responsibilities are far lesser than them. One of the main difference is that i am no mentor, but school teachers are. They have to go that extra mile to make an impact in students life. I am no parent yet, but when i become a mother, i promise myself to respect and treat my child future teacher with respect and love.
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Teaching is a vocation and a good teacher is someone to treasure and appreciate. They leave behind an indelible mark and make a positive difference in the lives of those they teach.
Teaching can be a thankless job. Let’s not discount on what they do as they mould the lives of our children.
What teachers want are not criticisms but critiques and suggestions on how best to help the students, our children.
Good teachers do not expect lavish gifts and expensive luncheons. Good teachers appreciate the soundless thanks that comes from an improvement in the students’ work and the delight in seeing the students’ faces when they realized that they have improved. Good teachers know when to reprimand and when to praise, and remind that above all, our self-worth is important and that we must take pride in what we do.
Yes, there are teachers and there are good teachers. And good teachers are sometimes hard to find.
And yet, sometimes what the good teachers need are good parents who know and understand their children and the constraints and challenges faced in the system. Because sometimes, having good parents to work in partnership with the teachers to help the children can be even harder to find. -
schweppes:
:goodpost:Teaching is a vocation and a good teacher is someone to treasure and appreciate. They leave behind an indelible mark and make a positive difference in the lives of those they teach.
Teaching can be a thankless job. Let's not discount on what they do as they mould the lives of our children.
What teachers want are not criticisms but critiques and suggestions on how best to help the students, our children.
Good teachers do not expect lavish gifts and expensive luncheons. Good teachers appreciate the soundless thanks that comes from an improvement in the students' work and the delight in seeing the students' faces when they realized that they have improved. Good teachers know when to reprimand and when to praise, and remind that above all, our self-worth is important and that we must take pride in what we do.
Yes, there are teachers and there are good teachers. And good teachers are sometimes hard to find.
And yet, sometimes what the good teachers need are good parents who know and understand their children and the constraints and challenges faced in the system. Because sometimes, having good parents to work in partnership with the teachers to help the children can be even harder to find.
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