5.18M of population. Good or bad?
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http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/students-taught-political-values-073642999.html
‘right’ political values? What is right and what is wrong? -
5.18M of population. Good or bad?
Good for those who have bought few houses…
Bad for those who are still looking for their 1st house (esp young couples)… -
of the million plus work permit holders inclusive of FDW who are transient workers in singapore, they won’t be buying homes in singapore
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verykiasu2010:
Singaporeans not willing to take on certain jobs. Pay is one huge factor why many Singaporeans will not. Take the case of the staffs working in the nursing home reported in the press. It was reported that the pay was only $400 monthly. For a foreign worker, $400 is a lot of money n most are given free accommodation or stay in a hostel or a room that squeezes in as many heads as possible so that rental cost for each person will be very low. But a Singaporean has quite a few big expenses to shoulder like mortgage, children education, etc. When I tour Malaysia I can afford to buy more things with the same amount of that I an buy in Singapore. I have seen Indian workers eating rice with curry gravy only.the problems, at least a large portion of it, if not entirely, is that most singaporeans don't want those jobs, whether the employers are government or private sector
agree about the point whether the government should practice full cost recovery / with profit, or should bear some of the cost of the basic infrastructure to reduce user cost borne by citizens ..... for eg, i never agree to the concept of \"market subsidy\" for selling (or rather it is leasing 99 years airspace in new HDB flats) to citizens. to me \"market subsidy\" is just another form of profiteering legitimised.
however, private sectors like SIA (though partially owned by Temasek) exist to maximise profit for the shareholders. it is not a social enterprise
Ya, companies seek to earn maximum profit for shareholders. There lies the root of all problems. If a company can make as much profit without squeezing too much on workers pay, then it is a great company that takes care of its staffs. There are many other avenues to increase profit margin, right? I work in a student care centre. We pay staffs market rate n we have only increase student fee marginally in the last ten years of operation. We feel a sense of doing a service for the community. To me, at that point in time SIA should have retained its senior staffs by doing a temporary pay cut to tide through the rough period. Obviously to maximum profit, it seized that opportunity to retrench high paying staffs to trim labor cost n hire cheaper new staffs.
In the end as Lim shared, the rich bosses get richer but the employees get poorer if more n more companies' motto is maximum profit for shareholders by squeezing as much as possible on labor cost. -
KSP:
Yes, resale flat prices will continue to increase. Brand new flats like BTO takes time (2-3 years) to build..btw, these flats come empty...like empty shells. Couples need money to renovate and it's very expensive even for basic accommodation. What about furniture etc etc ? Young couples also need money to get married.
Bad for those who are still looking for their 1st house (esp young couples)..... -
david59:
honestly I don't believe they - even foreign nurses - could be paid lower than the starting pay of Indon maid without working experience....who is kidding who :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Singaporeans not willing to take on certain jobs. Pay is one huge factor why many Singaporeans will not. Take the case of the staffs working in the nursing home reported in the press. It was reported that the pay was only $400 monthly. For a foreign worker, $400 is a lot of money n most are given free accommodation or stay in a hostel or a room that squeezes in as many heads as possible so that rental cost for each person will be very low. But a Singaporean has quite a few big expenses to shoulder like mortgage, children education, etc. When I tour Malaysia I can afford to buy more things with the same amount of that I an buy in Singapore. I have seen Indian workers eating rice with curry gravy only.verykiasu2010:
the problems, at least a large portion of it, if not entirely, is that most singaporeans don't want those jobs, whether the employers are government or private sector
agree about the point whether the government should practice full cost recovery / with profit, or should bear some of the cost of the basic infrastructure to reduce user cost borne by citizens ..... for eg, i never agree to the concept of \"market subsidy\" for selling (or rather it is leasing 99 years airspace in new HDB flats) to citizens. to me \"market subsidy\" is just another form of profiteering legitimised.
however, private sectors like SIA (though partially owned by Temasek) exist to maximise profit for the shareholders. it is not a social enterprise
Ya, companies seek to earn maximum profit for shareholders. There lies the root of all problems. If a company can make as much profit without squeezing too much on workers pay, then it is a great company that takes care of its staffs. There are many other avenues to increase profit margin, right? I work in a student care centre. We pay staffs market rate n we have only increase student fee marginally in the last ten years of operation. We feel a sense of doing a service for the community. To me, at that point in time SIA should have retained its senior staffs by doing a temporary pay cut to tide through the rough period. Obviously to maximum profit, it seized that opportunity to retrench high paying staffs to trim labor cost n hire cheaper new staffs.
In the end as Lim shared, the rich bosses get richer but the employees get poorer if more n more companies' motto is maximum profit for shareholders by squeezing as much as possible on labor cost. -
verykiasu2010:
honestly I don't believe they - even foreign nurses - could be paid lower than the starting pay of Indon maid without working experience....who is kidding who :rotflmao: :rotflmao:[/quote]Who is kidding who? It was reported in the Straits Times after a son of a patient who was a residence on Nightingale Nursing Home loaded up on Youtube of how the staffs handled his mother roughly by throwing her from the wheel chair to the bed. Later it was reported that the management could not hire Singaporeans because of the low pay of $400 monthly.
Singaporeans not willing to take on certain jobs. Pay is one huge factor why many Singaporeans will not. Take the case of the staffs working in the nursing home reported in the press. It was reported that the pay was only $400 monthly. For a foreign worker, $400 is a lot of money n most are given free accommodation or stay in a hostel or a room that squeezes in as many heads as possible so that rental cost for each person will be very low. But a Singaporean has quite a few big expenses to shoulder like mortgage, children education, etc. When I tour Malaysia I can afford to buy more things with the same amount of that I an buy in Singapore. I have seen Indian workers eating rice with curry gravy only.david59:
[quote=\"verykiasu2010\"]the problems, at least a large portion of it, if not entirely, is that most singaporeans don't want those jobs, whether the employers are government or private sector
agree about the point whether the government should practice full cost recovery / with profit, or should bear some of the cost of the basic infrastructure to reduce user cost borne by citizens ..... for eg, i never agree to the concept of \"market subsidy\" for selling (or rather it is leasing 99 years airspace in new HDB flats) to citizens. to me \"market subsidy\" is just another form of profiteering legitimised.
however, private sectors like SIA (though partially owned by Temasek) exist to maximise profit for the shareholders. it is not a social enterprise
Ya, companies seek to earn maximum profit for shareholders. There lies the root of all problems. If a company can make as much profit without squeezing too much on workers pay, then it is a great company that takes care of its staffs. There are many other avenues to increase profit margin, right? I work in a student care centre. We pay staffs market rate n we have only increase student fee marginally in the last ten years of operation. We feel a sense of doing a service for the community. To me, at that point in time SIA should have retained its senior staffs by doing a temporary pay cut to tide through the rough period. Obviously to maximum profit, it seized that opportunity to retrench high paying staffs to trim labor cost n hire cheaper new staffs.
In the end as Lim shared, the rich bosses get richer but the employees get poorer if more n more companies' motto is maximum profit for shareholders by squeezing as much as possible on labor cost.
You check out lor. Why I want to bluff for what? -
david59:
pay more for the nursing care then the nursing home can pay more to the nurses.
Who is kidding who? It was reported in the Straits Times after a son of a patient who was a residence on Nightingale Nursing Home loaded up on Youtube of how the staffs handled his mother roughly by throwing her from the wheel chair to the bed. Later it was reported that the management could not hire Singaporeans because of the low pay of $400 monthly.
You check out lor. Why I want to bluff for what?
in any way, that case is discredited
http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne+News/Singapore/Story/A1Story20110611-283577.html
Mr Toh, 42, told Straits Times reporters yesterday that he released the video just so he could get his mother out of the home to live with him.
'All I wanted was to get my mother out of a nursing home so she can stay with me. I didn't want to get Nightingale into trouble,\" he said, speaking in Mandarin to Straits Times reporters yesterday.
Mr Toh also defended the actions of the care workers, saying his mother was naked in one scene because \"she had just taken a shower, so they let her sit in the chair for awhile\".
\"The way they carried my mother to the bed was understandable too, since they didn't have a proper hospital bed that can be lowered for her,\" he said.
Mr Toh also described the slap as a \"gesture of affection between friends\" after having stayed at the home for four years, reported the Straits Times.
just plain abuse of nursing home to settle family dispute -
verykiasu2010:
My point here is that I am not kidding about the pay of $400 monthly.
pay more for the nursing care then the nursing home can pay more to the nurses.david59:
Who is kidding who? It was reported in the Straits Times after a son of a patient who was a residence on Nightingale Nursing Home loaded up on Youtube of how the staffs handled his mother roughly by throwing her from the wheel chair to the bed. Later it was reported that the management could not hire Singaporeans because of the low pay of $400 monthly.
You check out lor. Why I want to bluff for what?
in any way, that case is discredited
http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne+News/Singapore/Story/A1Story20110611-283577.html
Mr Toh, 42, told Straits Times reporters yesterday that he released the video just so he could get his mother out of the home to live with him.
'All I wanted was to get my mother out of a nursing home so she can stay with me. I didn't want to get Nightingale into trouble,\" he said, speaking in Mandarin to Straits Times reporters yesterday.
Mr Toh also defended the actions of the care workers, saying his mother was naked in one scene because \"she had just taken a shower, so they let her sit in the chair for awhile\".
\"The way they carried my mother to the bed was understandable too, since they didn't have a proper hospital bed that can be lowered for her,\" he said.
Mr Toh also described the slap as a \"gesture of affection between friends\" after having stayed at the home for four years, reported the Straits Times.
just plain abuse of nursing home to settle family dispute
Read for yourself here in this link from Straits Times.
http://160.96.186.100/lib/pdf/2011/Jun/ST1111.pdf
Your point that the home should charge more fee so that staff can be paid more speak a huge volume of your philosophy about making money. Already nursing home fee is expensive n not many average income families can really afford to pay. I feel that it is pointless to speak to a person like you in this topic.
Good nite. -
david59:
My point here is that I am not kidding about the pay of $400 monthly.
pay more for the nursing care then the nursing home can pay more to the nurses.verykiasu2010:
[quote=\"david59\"]
Who is kidding who? It was reported in the Straits Times after a son of a patient who was a residence on Nightingale Nursing Home loaded up on Youtube of how the staffs handled his mother roughly by throwing her from the wheel chair to the bed. Later it was reported that the management could not hire Singaporeans because of the low pay of $400 monthly.
You check out lor. Why I want to bluff for what?
in any way, that case is discredited
http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne+News/Singapore/Story/A1Story20110611-283577.html
Mr Toh, 42, told Straits Times reporters yesterday that he released the video just so he could get his mother out of the home to live with him.
'All I wanted was to get my mother out of a nursing home so she can stay with me. I didn't want to get Nightingale into trouble,\" he said, speaking in Mandarin to Straits Times reporters yesterday.
Mr Toh also defended the actions of the care workers, saying his mother was naked in one scene because \"she had just taken a shower, so they let her sit in the chair for awhile\".
\"The way they carried my mother to the bed was understandable too, since they didn't have a proper hospital bed that can be lowered for her,\" he said.
Mr Toh also described the slap as a \"gesture of affection between friends\" after having stayed at the home for four years, reported the Straits Times.
just plain abuse of nursing home to settle family dispute
Read for yourself here in this link from Straits Times.
http://160.96.186.100/lib/pdf/2011/Jun/ST1111.pdf
Your point that the home should charge more fee so that staff can be paid more speak a huge volume of your philosophy about making money. Already nursing home fee is expensive n not many average income families can really afford to pay. I feel that it is pointless to speak to a person like you in this topic.
Good nite.[/quote] :rotflmao: :rotflmao: you want to pay the staff more but not willing to pay more fees. you presume nursing homes make a lot of profit ? if they can't balance between income and expenditure, you expect them to print money ? only US can print and print, not nursing home
it is not philosophy about making money. it is about balancing the books without going bankrupt
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