Some students fail to thrive on Integrated Programme scheme
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Chenonceau:
I can't stress enough on independent learning. I think the t-score is less important than this criteria. If the child has a high t-score because he/she has had her entire PSLE steps defined by parents and tutors... then it is likely his/her grades will plummet in IP.[/quote]I agree.
Agree. IP - so independence is key. And good time management, ability to juggle studies with CCA and other commitments, resilience in the midst of exceptional classmates and very important, high EQ.Snow Crystal:
[quote=\"phankao\"]
If they are mature enough to be working on their own, plan their own schedules, work well with others in a team. -
Chenonceau:
I can't stress enough on independent learning. I think the t-score is less important than this criteria. If the child has a high t-score because he/she has had her entire PSLE steps defined by parents and tutors... then it is likely his/her grades will plummet in IP.
Well said. I won't be surprised if some of those who dropped out even before taking the A levels (5% according to Sandra) scored above 265 due to intensive tuition.
But then, even in the old system, there are people who fail to complete two years of JC or flunk their A levels from the top 5 JCs. Just not sure what the percentage is and if we can make a meaningful comparison between then and now.
On another note, there is no mention of the number of students who are 'retained'. If I'm not wrong, each student can be 'retained' or repeat up to two years in their 6 years of secondary education. Meaning, once in first 4 years and once in JC. I'm sure there are quite a number who suffered that fate in the IP as well. Hope the MOE can give us these figures too. -
SAHM_TAN:
I'm wondering what's education all about...
what is primary education about?
what is secondary education about?
what's post-secondary education about?
To me, it's about
1.learning to developing a questioning an exploratory mind
2.learning to learn
3.learning to make decisions
4.developing socio-emotional competencies.
5.learning to compete which should come say upper sec and later.
It's not just about exams and grades.
This requires a lot of trust and faith in our children.
This story from my dd's GEP teacher. His ex-student from GEP was then a photo journalist came back to visit.
Student: Are you proud of me? (meaning I'm not some high flyer that they expect of a GEP kid)
Teacher: Are you happy?
Student: Yes, I love what I'm doing and I'm happy.
Teacher: Then I'm very proud of you.
I think at the end of the day, we hope our kid will find something he love to do for his living. Something that he feel can help him fulfill his purpose. A good education environment should help him to discover his purpose. -
tisha:
Remember the Sunday Times article on Dennis Foo this year or last year? His son who went to RI went to Poly. Even during non-IP days, there are still a no of RI/RGS/HCI students who did not do well in O levels. Those who qualified for JC did not end up in RJC/HCJC but in other JCs too.
This is ridiculous! You don't go to RI to end up in poly! :siam:FanFanX:
Raffles Institution said it was looking into starting an O-level class. Principal Lim Lai Cheng said that if this happens, it will be 'to open up options' for those wanting to go to polytechnics or abroad.
Actually these top notch IP school where every student is academically streched in an accelerated environment should set up some kind of minimum TScore(240? 250? the school can decide based on past experience) for those DSAed. In such an environment, it does not make sense to say that as long as you have a confirmed offer we welcome you with open arms even if u score 201(express eligibility). Aren't the schools being greedy to get these students in just to bring medals and glory to the school at the cost of the child?
From now on I guess parents should approach this DSA thingy with caution. -
tisha:
if you have friends who are the sports teachers ic, you will know why they take in the top sports talents at all costs. they are under pressure to bring in GOLD medals not just any medals!Aren't the schools being greedy to get these students in just to bring medals and glory to the school at the cost of the child?
it is unethical to sacrifice the child for the gold medals. some have to transfer to other schools when they are unable to cope with the academics. it does happen just that such cases are kept hush hush.
like some of you mentioned, it takes 2 hands to clap. those parents played a role in the failure of their children too. why send the child there knowing that he is unlikely to be able to cope with the academics? how do you expect a child with sub-220 to cope when the majority are 260s & above? most of these parents are just after the prestige of having their child in the top boys school. -
dovetail:
SAHM_TAN:
I'm wondering what's education all about...
what is primary education about?
what is secondary education about?
what's post-secondary education about?
To me, it's about
1.learning to developing a questioning an exploratory mind
2.learning to learn
3.learning to make decisions
4.developing socio-emotional competencies.
5.learning to compete which should come say upper sec and later.
It's not just about exams and grades.
This requires a lot of trust and faith in our children.
This story from my dd's GEP teacher. His ex-student from GEP was then a photo journalist came back to visit.
Student: Are you proud of me? (meaning I'm not some high flyer that they expect of a GEP kid)
Teacher: Are you happy?
Student: Yes, I love what I'm doing and I'm happy.
Teacher: Then I'm very proud of you.
I think at the end of the day, we hope our kid will find something he love to do for his living. Something that he feel can help him fulfill his purpose. A good education environment should help him to discover his purpose.
Well said. Merry Xmas! -
Zhuge:
Yes since many years ago, some can't cope in these top secondary schools and transferred out to other secondary schools. And quite a number went 2nd/3rd tier JCs. Not all go RJC/HCJC. NJC was very prestigious and some went there by choice due to proximity to home etc. For example non-Chinese in RI/RGS staying along Bukit Timah may prefer not to travel to RJC, and thus choose NJC over HCJC. A handful (very few last time) of students went poly eventually.
Remember the Sunday Times article on Dennis Foo this year or last year? His son who went to RI went to Poly. Even during non-IP days, there are still a no of RI/RGS/HCI students who did not do well in O levels. Those who qualified for JC did not end up in RJC/HCJC but in other JCs too. -
Snow Crystal:
Before IP was started in RI, only 60% of RI boys succeeded in getting a place in RJC based on O level results. The rest went to other colleges or polys.
Yes since many years ago, some can't cope in these top secondary schools and transferred out to other secondary schools. And quite a number went 2nd/3rd tier JCs. Not all go RJC/HCJC. NJC was very prestigious and some went there by choice due to proximity to home etc. For example non-Chinese in RI/RGS staying along Bukit Timah may prefer not to travel to RJC, and thus choose NJC over HCJC. A handful (very few last time) of students went poly eventually.Zhuge:
Remember the Sunday Times article on Dennis Foo this year or last year? His son who went to RI went to Poly. Even during non-IP days, there are still a no of RI/RGS/HCI students who did not do well in O levels. Those who qualified for JC did not end up in RJC/HCJC but in other JCs too. -
MandyMummy:
Before IP was started in RI, only 60% of RI boys succeeded in getting a place in RJC based on O level results. The rest went to other colleges or polys.[/quote]Yeah, it's always easier to stay in then getting in. Hence, parents die die want a foot in first. If kid's cannot cope still can stay in.
Yes since many years ago, some can't cope in these top secondary schools and transferred out to other secondary schools. And quite a number went 2nd/3rd tier JCs. Not all go RJC/HCJC. NJC was very prestigious and some went there by choice due to proximity to home etc. For example non-Chinese in RI/RGS staying along Bukit Timah may prefer not to travel to RJC, and thus choose NJC over HCJC. A handful (very few last time) of students went poly eventually.Snow Crystal:
[quote=\"Zhuge\"]
Remember the Sunday Times article on Dennis Foo this year or last year? His son who went to RI went to Poly. Even during non-IP days, there are still a no of RI/RGS/HCI students who did not do well in O levels. Those who qualified for JC did not end up in RJC/HCJC but in other JCs too. -
rosecy:
This is very true. My friend made his son go to VS even though his T score only 21something. He DSA thru soccer. It's very tough for the boy as he is not the academic type. Another friend's son DSA to Hwa Chong via cross country, also very tough. He wants to quit the sport as he finds the training too tough for him and his passion for running was questionable but he cannot quit.
if you have friends who are the sports teachers ic, you will know why they take in the top sports talents at all costs. they are under pressure to bring in GOLD medals not just any medals!tisha:
Aren't the schools being greedy to get these students in just to bring medals and glory to the school at the cost of the child?
it is unethical to sacrifice the child for the gold medals. some have to transfer to other schools when they are unable to cope with the academics. it does happen just that such cases are kept hush hush.
like some of you mentioned, it takes 2 hands to clap. those parents played a role in the failure of their children too. why send the child there knowing that he is unlikely to be able to cope with the academics? how do you expect a child with sub-220 to cope when the majority are 260s & above? most of these parents are just after the prestige of having their child in the
top boys school.
These top schools want to win in everything. They run it like football clubs, just 'buy' players using the school name. At the end of the day, parents must have the kid's interest at heart, not their face.
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