Some students fail to thrive on Integrated Programme scheme

[Chenonceau]

phankao:

Even so, the sports boys were getting into RJC with points like 15, 17, 18, while the rest of the students had points around 6 to 9. So, even with RI bonus points, these sports boys would never have made it into RJC if not for their sports.

I'm not surprised at this. For DD, we had no idea that there was such a thing as DSA. It was the early days of the DSA construct. So we experienced something that was half formalized only. We didn't actively APPLY to DSA, we received informal invitation via competition officers we knew that such and such a coach from such and such a school is interested... and that we could apply to DSA. Then it just rolled on by itself.

I am guessing that previously to formalized DSA, this informal invitation helped many sports people get into top schools.

The thing to note is that you don't rise to the top of your sport if you have low IQ. A high IQ child may however have the wrong type of body or may be physically lacking somehow. If you have a high performing sports child, that child has necessarily high IQ.

If you believe this, it is only a matter of wise resource planning and time management from primary school onwards so that the child can manage both sport and studies reasonably well. It CAN be managed. Just because you have a DSA sports child does not mean he/she cannot be good academically. I know many sports people with stellar results too.

[jtoh]

ngbrdad:

Whether IP, O level etc there will always be some cases of opting out.

Students opt out of courses for various reasons.

I know of two who opted out of final year of NUS medical school.

Final year medical school? Why?

[ngbrdad]

jtoh:

ngbrdad:

Whether IP, O level etc there will always be some cases of opting out.

Students opt out of courses for various reasons.

I know of two who opted out of final year of NUS medical school.

Final year medical school? Why?

Decided that a medical career was not for them.
One wanted to pursue fashion designing, one became a math teacher.

Just like why Bill Gates, Steve Job, Mark Zuckerberg etc quit unis.

[Funx3]

jtoh:

tisha:

[quote=\"FanFanX\"]
Raffles Institution said it was looking into starting an O-level class. Principal Lim Lai Cheng said that if this happens, it will be 'to open up options' for those wanting to go to polytechnics or abroad.

This is ridiculous! You don't go to RI to end up in poly! :siam:
Actually these top notch IP school where every student is academically streched in an accelerated environment should set up some kind of minimum TScore(240? 250? the school can decide based on past experience) for those DSAed. In such an environment, it does not make sense to say that as long as you have a confirmed offer we welcome you with open arms even if u score 201(express eligibility). Aren't the schools being greedy to get these students in just to bring medals and glory to the school at the cost of the child?
From now on I guess parents should approach this DSA thingy with caution.

It takes two hands to clap. If you know your kid's academics aren't that strong why apply for RI where most everyone's T-score is >260?[/quote]Actually this Sports DSA thingy got a First Hurdle to Pass ....
Remember the Sch Ask for P5, P6 (Some even ask for P4) Pri Sch Results to be Submitted?

Let's Be Realistic ....
If A Kid score in the Region of 60's consistently, U think they will be Shortlisted?
And they have to clear the Next Hurdle for the GAT / HAST Tests as Well ....
If the Kids Fare Bad-ly in these, Don't think they Will be Shortlisted in the Interview Round ....
(The Few Sports DSA kids whom I Know who got to the Interview Round in RGS, has Sch Results Avg of above 70's to above 90's, With quite a number of them being Sch Prefects ....)

So the Sch does exercise some control in their selection, in choosing those kids who R likely to Fit academically into their IP Prog.

To Share with U, the Teacher-in-charge for Chinese Dance in NYGH has actually inform parents that the Sch May not offer CO to her Top choice of candidates. And It ALL depends on the sch assessment of the Kids' fit to the Sch Prog (Implying academic, I presume). And She Advise ALL Gals to Study hard to get Good Results in PSLE, coz that is the Best Way to enter the sch.
And she will Welcome them with Open Arms in her CCA when they R posted successfully to the Sch!

[phankao]

Chenonceau:

The thing to note is that you don't rise to the top of your sport if you have low IQ. A high IQ child may however have the wrong type of body or may be physically lacking somehow. If you have a high performing sports child, that child has necessarily high IQ.

If you believe this, it is only a matter of wise resource planning and time management from primary school onwards so that the child can manage both sport and studies reasonably well. It CAN be managed. Just because you have a DSA sports child does not mean he/she cannot be good academically. I know many sports people with stellar results too.

This conclusion is from your experience working with children? So does it apply to children who are high-achievers in other areas, e.g. music, drama,..etc? But not exactly high-achievers in the academic area (probably just average only)?

[Chenonceau]

phankao:

Chenonceau:

The thing to note is that you don't rise to the top of your sport if you have low IQ. A high IQ child may however have the wrong type of body or may be physically lacking somehow. If you have a high performing sports child, that child has necessarily high IQ.

If you believe this, it is only a matter of wise resource planning and time management from primary school onwards so that the child can manage both sport and studies reasonably well. It CAN be managed. Just because you have a DSA sports child does not mean he/she cannot be good academically. I know many sports people with stellar results too.

This conclusion is from your experience working with children? So does it apply to children who are high-achievers in other areas, e.g. music, drama,..etc? But not exactly high-achievers in the academic area (probably just average only)?

Kekekekekeke!! I have very little experience with children lah (except for my own kids)... but basically high performance in every area is linked to intelligence... simply because every area of the arts or sports requires a lot of problem-solving. I said \"if you believe this\"... which means to say I didn't bother to go and look up any research evidence so I'm being very tentative here.

Were there some studies linking musical talent to Math ability? A friend with a PhD in engineering put himself through university by playing piano gigs in bars at night and on weekends.

[phankao]

Chenonceau:

Were there some studies linking musical talent to Math ability?.

Ah, but to what degree, yah? Maybe of High IQ, but High IQ can also be relative. ;D Maybe it's also somewhat like how people say Breastfeeding increases IQ or promotes better health. In reality, the child would just be more intelligent or more healthy THAN if he/she has not been breastfed.

So maybe the child would just be more intelligent than if he/she was not a high achiever in area of sports or music or other areas. May not be top in academic, could be average only, but may be just better.

[Chenonceau]

phankao:

Chenonceau:

Were there some studies linking musical talent to Math ability?.

Ah, but to what degree, yah? Maybe of High IQ, but High IQ can also be relative. ;D Maybe it's also somewhat like how people say Breastfeeding increases IQ or promotes better health. In reality, the child would just be more intelligent or more healthy THAN if he/she has not been breastfed.

So maybe the child would just be more intelligent than if he/she was not a high achiever in area of sports or music or other areas. May not be top in academic, could be average only, but may be just better.

Eh? What? You mean that sports and music training causes intelligence hah? Or do you mean that someone with IQ high enough for top notch sport and music is also likely to do well in academics if given enough time to study.

Sorry... I can't make you out.

[phankao]

Chenonceau:

phankao:

[quote=\"Chenonceau\"]
Were there some studies linking musical talent to Math ability?.

Ah, but to what degree, yah? Maybe of High IQ, but High IQ can also be relative. ;D Maybe it's also somewhat like how people say Breastfeeding increases IQ or promotes better health. In reality, the child would just be more intelligent or more healthy THAN if he/she has not been breastfed.

So maybe the child would just be more intelligent than if he/she was not a high achiever in area of sports or music or other areas. May not be top in academic, could be average only, but may be just better.

Eh? What? You mean that sports and music training causes intelligence hah? Or do you mean that someone with IQ high enough for top notch sport and music is also likely to do well in academics if given enough time to study.

Sorry... I can't make you out.[/quote]haha - bc you said that if they are high achievers in those areas, they should have high IQ too. Maybe some don't' have as High IQ as others, that's what I mean.

[janet88]

Just curious…supposing the child made it to RI using DSA, does his results have to be as good as the sports activity he used to gain entry ? No matter what, RI is elite and if his sports activity is very good but results are so-so, won’t he be struggling ?