DSA Appeal 2011
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PiggyLalala:
Are we expecting too much from a 12 year old child?
The same argument was proferred for bond breakers. Are we expecting too much from the 18 year old? Pushing this logic to the end, scrap both DSA and scholarships because neither child... nor teen... have the wherewithal to make wise decisions. If they can't decide, then why provide the opportunity?PiggyLalala:
If he is of the calibre to get into 1st school and he makes a booboo on ONE section of ONE paper, he'll still end up in his 2nd school. If he didn't realise he did things wrong in MANY sections of multiple papers, then he is not quite there academically.Imagine a child rejected the CO from the second school without realising that he had written out of point for his compo during PSLE. As a result, he got a poor t-score and that he no longer qualified for most schools.
PiggyLalala:
Since the time DSA started (i.e., even back in DD's time), it was understood that if you ACCEPTED a place in one school, you had some moral obligation to stay there. This is not new. Also, if the child is 12, and parents so kiasu that they plan a back-up school via DSA, it is unlikely the child's own decision alone.Do we want the child to experience the pain/regret of making a wrong decision at the age of 12? I just don't feel comfortable about the DSA thing anymore and really fear that MOE may just implement something drastic and sudden and worst without informing the parents and students.
PiggyLalala:
I am not sure this slight difference matters at all. In a child's world, the opportunity to commit great sins is not there. The scholarship boards are not gonna worry about this difference between bond breakers and DSA CO-breakers. Their job is to evaluate the ROI of investing in a child. If, in the history of the child, there is any hint of a possibility that the child will grow up into someone who cannot honour small commitments, then the big investment becomes that much more risky.For the bond breakers, I think they usually break their bond after they have finished the education whereas for the P6, they have not even entered the secondary school. The company has groomed the bond breaker and spent a lot $$$ and time on them but this is not the case in DSA.
Basically, the scholarship board will assume that children absorb their parents values... and in the absence of any other information, this DSA CO info will just have to do as a proxy for what the child MIGHT do in the future. -
Chandelier:
My DS's fren parent called up RI this morning & was told appeal UNSUCCESSFUL for DSA CO high 26X (accepted HCI CO earlier). Admin staff said RI has tried their very best but MOE disapproved transfer. Claimed that letters has been send out (but they hvnt receive yet...) & will refund e $20.
Assuming those PSLE-high-scorers who are appealing to RI now (after accepting CO from another school) had also applied for RI's DSA but were rejected by RI, then shouldn't it be RI's fault for rejecting them in the first place?
Should MOE allow RI to continue accepting DSAed students formerly rejected by RI during DSA phase, wouldn't it be unfair to other schools who had given COs to these students?
If the DSA-appeal practice were allowed to carry on, then, what rightfully should be RI's fault for its failure to identify the top-scorers, seems to become other schools' fault for giving COs to students who regard these schools as their second choice!! -
Yes, the decision is made both by the parent and the child. But that does not mean lesser pain for the 12 year old if a wrong decision is made? The decision not to take part in DSA in itself is also a difficult decision that has to be made by both parents and child.
Exactly parents have been reading up and finding out a lot of information from friends, parents with similar experience and yet changes can be made drastically and without effective communication. I am scared . -
PiggyLalala:
As parents we have to be responsible for our actions and their impact on our children. If a wrong decision was made, man up, take it as a learning experience and move on. We shouldn't be blaming MOE, the DSA schools and primary schools for a decision which ultimately was taken by the parent. Hopefully these parents have not been telling their children that their DSA school is a second rate school.Yes, the decision is made both by the parent and the child. But that does not mean lesser pain for the 12 year old if a wrong decision is made? The decision not to take part in DSA in itself is also a difficult decision that has to be made by both parents and child.
Exactly parents have been reading up and finding out a lot of information from friends, parents with similar experience and yet changes can be made drastically and without effective communication. I am scared . -
mum_sugoku:
RI rejects DSA applicants on the ground that they didn't perform well from Primary 4 - 6 SA1 and the GAT test.
Assuming those PSLE-high-scorers who are appealing to RI now (after accepting CO from another school) had also applied for RI's DSA but were rejected by RI, then shouldn't it be RI's fault for rejecting them in the first place?
But somehow some will still want to mug their way in. -
Chenonceau:
Well said.[
I am not sure this slight difference matters at all. In a child's world, the opportunity to commit great sins is not there. The scholarship boards are not gonna worry about this difference between bond breakers and DSA CO-breakers. Their job is to evaluate the ROI of investing in a child. If, in the history of the child, there is any hint of a possibility that the child will grow up into someone who cannot honour small commitments, then the big investment becomes that much more risky.
Basically, the scholarship board will assume that children absorb their parents values... and in the absence of any other information, this DSA CO info will just have to do as a proxy for what the child MIGHT do in the future. -
just my speculation
HCI is using MOE to be the reason. nothing wrong, and is very convenient. the real reason could be HCI this year refuses to release. that is all. and they did inform the students early early "no transfer allowed" way in advance
and MOE website as well as the exercise option form did not say cannot appeal cannot change cannot transfer
every one knows the transfer is an agreement between the schools concerned, then submit name list to MOE, not the other way round
nobody knows why HCI refuses to release, but the reason is probably need not be said
if you were the HCI principal, you would be very sore at the post-PSLE DSA transfer out every year too…and it surely has to come to a stop…and too bad for those parents/students caught this year – no transfer
but HCI forgets something they said last year : no point keeping students who don’t want to stay, no point forcing them to stay
to move on, HCI should work on why people want to transfer out even after the DSA CO ? -
When one is rejected by first choice DSA school and offered CO by his second choice DSA school, he feels the pain when not allowed DSA appeal. However, if he had not accepted the CO and ended up with PSLE score lower than COP for both his first and second choice schools, would he and his parents feel even more painful? Life is such, isn’t it? As parents, we should provide guidance on making wise and right decisions when faced with such situation, but no one can be completely shielded from pain.
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verykiasu2010:
From posts seen in this forum so far, this practice of not allowing DSA appeal does not only apply between HCI and RI. If so, houldn't we hear about successful appeal cases to RI from other DSA schools? If so, why would RGS also talk about it beforehand? Besides, HCI is not the only school losing DSA CO students through such processes, many other IP and top secondary schools faced similar problems.just my speculation
HCI is using MOE to be the reason. nothing wrong, and is very convenient. the real reason could be HCI this year refuses to release. that is all. and they did inform the students early early \"no transfer allowed\" way in advance
and MOE website as well as the exercise option form did not say cannot appeal cannot change cannot transfer
every one knows the transfer is an agreement between the schools concerned, then submit name list to MOE, not the other way round
nobody knows why HCI refuses to release, but the reason is probably need not be said
if you were the HCI principal, you would be very sore at the post-PSLE DSA transfer out every year too.........and it surely has to come to a stop....and too bad for those parents/students caught this year -- no transfer
but HCI forgets something they said last year : no point keeping students who don't want to stay, no point forcing them to stay
to move on, HCI should work on why people want to transfer out even after the DSA CO ? -
verykiasu2010:
HCI doesn't need to do anything. Next year nobody will dare to test the system. Those who have chosen HCI will continue to stay with HCI wholeheartedly. See, it is importent to put a stop to this DSA appeal thingy then the rest will take care by itself and back to the right track. Nobody will complain next year and we at KSP no need to argue anymore. 天下太平 :celebrate:just my speculation
HCI is using MOE to be the reason. nothing wrong, and is very convenient. the real reason could be HCI this year refuses to release. that is all. and they did inform the students early early \"no transfer allowed\" way in advance
and MOE website as well as the exercise option form did not say cannot appeal cannot change cannot transfer
every one knows the transfer is an agreement between the schools concerned, then submit name list to MOE, not the other way round
nobody knows why HCI refuses to release, but the reason is probably need not be said
if you were the HCI principal, you would be very sore at the post-PSLE DSA transfer out every year too.........and it surely has to come to a stop....and too bad for those parents/students caught this year -- no transfer
but HCI forgets something they said last year : no point keeping students who don't want to stay, no point forcing them to stay
to move on, HCI should work on why people want to transfer out even after the DSA CO ?
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