Former SCDF and CNB chiefs arrested
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Sun_2010:
Wisdom speaks again.
I stopped taking Moral high ground as I grow older. The more i see people the more i realise there is no one perfect. And I am less judgemental.Angelight:
Oh Angel... I agree with you. It is sad that people are so EAGER to throw stones that they cannot WAIT for more information, and must already JUDGE. It is one thing when the facts are all out and justice is meted out (even if it means stoning to the death). It is quite another when people pick up stones and throw them at the first whiff of a crime.I thot in spore law, one is innocent until proven guilty.
Why are people so EAGER to inflict pain on others... and judge others poorly when information is so insufficient? One cannot GUESS at a crime to act. One must KNOW beyond all shadow of doubt to act. It is this EAGERNESS that is disconcerting.Angelight:
Maybe they couldn't get pictures of her? The 2 men's pics are readily available. But yeah... I also wonder why there is no information published about the woman. Maybe tomorrow's papers?How come the media can publish the photos of the 2 guys but not the woman involved? IMHO, for the same woman to be involved with 2 different men in such corrupt case shows she is unlikely to be innocent.
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Angelight:
whoever exposed this scandal just before CNY really had a sinister motive to ruin these 2 guys'...imagine what kinds of reactions they and their families will have to face from their friends and relatives.
I think it is hard to time such exposure unless the person has the evidence in his/her hands all this while, only waiting for the opportune time to pounce. So yes if the person has the evidence all this while, then this is evil.... -
I thought CPIB did a good job by upholding the integrity of the public service without fear or favour. I used to think there will always be cover up for the high brass. But heck, they just cut off the heads of 2 high ranking (and high flying)officials. :scared:
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I too feel we should not jump to conclusions about their character etc… I believe the news is out for the two men to show that Singapore DOES NOT TOLERATE CORRUPTION at the slightest inkling of it especially public service men…and will investigate, this is my take on the news. Since they have to go on leave and new people appointed to replace them, it would probably be better to announce than for people to speculate why the Chiefs are on long leave. I will give them the benefit of doubt until things become clearer.
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I read that a foreign company complaint to CPIB which also partially aid to kickstart the investigation. I also read that a lady involved is from American MNC. But today I read that ST Electronics is involved.
So how many companies are involved? -
ksi:
I too feel we should not jump to conclusions about their character etc... I believe the news is out for the two men to show that Singapore DOES NOT TOLERATE CORRUPTION at the slightest inkling of it especially public service men.......and will investigate, this is my take on the news. Since they have to go on leave and new people appointed to replace them, it would probably be better to announce than for people to speculate why the Chiefs are on long leave. I will give them the benefit of doubt until things become clearer.
chenwj:
I thought CPIB did a good job by upholding the integrity of the public service without fear or favour. I used to think there will always be cover up for the high brass. But heck, they just cut off the heads of 2 high ranking (and high flying)officials. :scared:
Odd that no one praised the government for this till now. See how cognitive bias works to keep people blind to some obvious things, but help people see things where the contours are as yet undefined? -
Chenonceau:
Well said.
Odd that no one praised the government for this till now. See how cognitive bias works to keep people blind to some obvious things, but help people see things where the contours are as yet undefined? -
Chenonceau:
Did, did. Was a talking point during CNY visits as it was splashed across the Chinese papers. Strange that news came out later on ST..ksi:
I too feel we should not jump to conclusions about their character etc... I believe the news is out for the two men to show that Singapore DOES NOT TOLERATE CORRUPTION at the slightest inkling of it especially public service men.......and will investigate, this is my take on the news. Since they have to go on leave and new people appointed to replace them, it would probably be better to announce than for people to speculate why the Chiefs are on long leave. I will give them the benefit of doubt until things become clearer.
chenwj:
I thought CPIB did a good job by upholding the integrity of the public service without fear or favour. I used to think there will always be cover up for the high brass. But heck, they just cut off the heads of 2 high ranking (and high flying)officials. :scared:
Odd that no one praised the government for this till now. See how cognitive bias works to keep people blind to some obvious things, but help people see things where the contours are as yet undefined? -
Chenonceau:
Yes definitely laudable that CPIB did not hush this up. Whilst I feel for the innocent parties (poor wife and kids), these people have earned their disgrace.ksi:
I too feel we should not jump to conclusions about their character etc... I believe the news is out for the two men to show that Singapore DOES NOT TOLERATE CORRUPTION at the slightest inkling of it especially public service men.......and will investigate, this is my take on the news. Since they have to go on leave and new people appointed to replace them, it would probably be better to announce than for people to speculate why the Chiefs are on long leave. I will give them the benefit of doubt until things become clearer.
chenwj:
I thought CPIB did a good job by upholding the integrity of the public service without fear or favour. I used to think there will always be cover up for the high brass. But heck, they just cut off the heads of 2 high ranking (and high flying)officials. :scared:
Odd that no one praised the government for this till now. See how cognitive bias works to keep people blind to some obvious things, but help people see things where the contours are as yet undefined?
our CPIB does not lightly arrest ppl. Once their 'investigations' are publicised you can be sure there was some hard evidence available. innocent? probably 0.00001% chance.
what hit me most was how humiliated they should feel. not just because they have abused public trust, not just because they were caught with their pants down, but because they were both bamboozled by the same vixen! embarassing or what? these guys are Home Team colleagues!
the other ridiculously humiliating thing is that they should be corrupt with respect to some IT deal. When the news first came out, I thought the CNB guy must have been getting big time cut backs from some drug warlord, smuggling millions worth of Class A drugs through our isle. When it said 'money and women' images of high class escorts being at his beck and call came to mind, and how he must have profitted millions from this drug warlord, funding his sports cars and sentosa cove home. but this?!
Two men brought down by one IT woman? for some govt procurement priority? Oh my. What have we come to.
Agree also that all humans are fallible, and whilst it's good that they are loudly made an example of, so that others dare not follow in their steps, we must all watch ourselves. we are all susceptible. all sin is sin. big or small. even cheating on parking coupons (extra 10 mins everyone?) sets a bad example for our children. don't say too soon that you will always hold true to your vows, you are thus above reproach yada yada. pride comes before a fall!
Another thing that came to mind was that such moral laxity is so common in the private sector. sleeping with the boss or anyone who has power is nothing new. and no one bats an eyelid. but because these men are in public service, and funds are taxpayers money, the corruption becomes glaring and unacceptable. private sector folks will just say this is part of business! why shouldn't I give the deal to the woman who pleases me? is the shareholder going to morally police me, if I still turn in record profits?
Btw, who was the principal who was exonerated? And from what allegation? Curious. -
toddles:
This is an amazing post for its incisiveness and its multiple perspectives. :udawoman:
Yes definitely laudable that CPIB did not hush this up. Whilst I feel for the innocent parties (poor wife and kids), these people have earned their disgrace.
our CPIB does not lightly arrest ppl. Once their 'investigations' are publicised you can be sure there was some hard evidence available. innocent? probably 0.00001% chance.
what hit me most was how humiliated they should feel. not just because they have abused public trust, not just because they were caught with their pants down, but because they were both bamboozled by the same vixen! embarassing or what? these guys are Home Team colleagues!
the other ridiculously humiliating thing is that they should be corrupt with respect to some IT deal. When the news first came out, I thought the CNB guy must have been getting big time cut backs from some drug warlord, smuggling millions worth of Class A drugs through our isle. When it said 'money and women' images of high class escorts being at his beck and call came to mind, and how he must have profitted millions from this drug warlord, funding his sports cars and sentosa cove home. but this?!
Two men brought down by one IT woman? for some govt procurement priority? Oh my. What have we come to.
Agree also that all humans are fallible, and whilst it's good that they are loudly made an example of, so that others dare not follow in their steps, we must all watch ourselves. we are all susceptible. all sin is sin. big or small. even cheating on parking coupons (extra 10 mins everyone?) sets a bad example for our children. don't say too soon that you will always hold true to your vows, you are thus above reproach yada yada. pride comes before a fall!
Another thing that came to mind was that such moral laxity is so common in the private sector. sleeping with the boss or anyone who has power is nothing new. and no one bats an eyelid. but because these men are in public service, and funds are taxpayers money, the corruption becomes glaring and unacceptable. private sector folks will just say this is part of business! why shouldn't I give the deal to the woman who pleases me? is the shareholder going to morally police me, if I still turn in record profits?
Btw, who was the principal who was exonerated? And from what allegation? Curious.
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