Lack of drive in Singaporean students a worry
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Funz:
Exam-smart CEOs - the products of our education system.Sun_2010:
He had a long discussion with them, which did not throw up any solutions.
Hmm.... typical CEOs. We have a problem. You go solve it. I go play golf.
What do these CEOs expect? They are the leaders of million dollar companies and yet none can provide even a suggestion of a solution? They expect the solution to be presented to them on a platter. What drive then do they expect to see in kids? -
looking4Tutor:
Exam-smart CEOs - the products of our education system.[/quote]They are? Hm....never thought of that. Often assume that these CEOs are 白手起家ones, unless their business have been passed down by their Ah Gong or Father...guess depends on which CEOs were involved..Funz:
[quote=\"Sun_2010\"] He had a long discussion with them, which did not throw up any solutions.
Hmm.... typical CEOs. We have a problem. You go solve it. I go play golf.
What do these CEOs expect? They are the leaders of million dollar companies and yet none can provide even a suggestion of a solution? They expect the solution to be presented to them on a platter. What drive then do they expect to see in kids?
On the other hand, would the CEOs be thinking - we tell you the problem, you are the education expert, not us, so you should be the one thinking how to solve this problem - if we can tell you solutions, then we should go set up schools ourselves...international schools in overseas perhaps, so we need not go through you... :evil: -
:love: the humours in u all :rotflmao:
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anecdotes from some investment bankers :
young grads on new job to analyse the IPO performance and don't know how to calculate ex-right price of a stock, and use the financial calculator wrongly some more :mad: ....... can't even derive the answer from first principle ..... and asked from the boss : do you have a template ?.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: template graduates :roll: :roll: -
verykiasu2010:
:rotflmao: Wow, that's even more new-age - TEMPLATES!! Next up - got Apps for that?anecdotes from some investment bankers :
young grads on new job to analyse the IPO performance and don't know how to calculate ex-right price of a stock, and use the financial calculator wrongly some more :mad: ....... can't even derive the answer from first principle ..... and asked from the boss : do you have a template ?.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: template graduates :roll: :roll:
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On a more serious note - how did the graduates manage to graduate in the first place??? :?
Linking this to what I heard from a lecturer in a poly, the institutions these days give passes to students even though their foundations are not up to standard or it reflects badly on the lecturer/HOD. Hence by the time they got to him at the higher level, he has a hell of a time cos they hardly understood what he was talking about. :faint:
Oh yeah, now that I recollect, he also mentioned only a handful are truly self-motivated and needed no pushing... -
I find the lack of discussion in this thread very worrying.
To me, the implied message behind the whole arrticle was that many Singaporeans will not rise to senior management positions because of their attitude. That these senior positions will go to FT.
Is our aim for our children then only for them to do brilliantly well in school, but only achieve middling success in the workplace?
And if all these "high achiever" go on to staff our civil service … sigh! -
Schools motivate children by terrorising them with failure. That is the best way to kill drive.
Teachers manage students with scoldings more than praise. Again, another good way to kill drive.
In the exam-oriented set-up, only the top 10 of the top 2 classes out of 10 classes of 40 students feel validated by their efforts (i.e., 20 out of 400 students). 380 students know and learn to accept that they’re not at the top and will never be. Also no drive.
Why bother Mom, I’m never gonna be one of the smart ones? -
Laura02:
Laura02, it is not inconceivable.I find the lack of discussion in this thread very worrying.
To me, the implied message behind the whole arrticle was that many Singaporeans will not rise to senior management positions because of their attitude. That these senior positions will go to FT.
Is our aim for our children then only for them to do brilliantly well in school, but only achieve middling success in the workplace?
And if all these \"high achiever\" go on to staff our civil service .... sigh!
Many of our students are not self-driven because many parents are using the over-drive for them all the time.
But of course, there could be other reasons too..
That said, I've just posted in another thread that touches on GEP (Intellect or Age Peer?), and I can't help linking to this article about students lacking drive. Here is the post:concern2:
I can't help linking this thread to the one about how Singaporean students lack drive. Say, the GEP started in 1984 - for P4 students was it? Let's just assume it is. This means by now, the earliest children who have gone through the existence of this system would be about 38 years old now - already working, and possibly in the peak or climbing their way up. From what I've observed around, this age group still seem pretty \"kut latt\" - hardworking.
Usually when a new policy/system has just begun, you don't see immediate changes in people/ society. I'm not a sociologist, but assuming by the 10th year, people would have gained enough information, adjusted themselves, or their children would have come of age to enter the new system for it to have any impact - or what I call 'twisted effect' (results not initially intended for)
So 38 minus 10, the kids would be about 28 years of age. Let's give it a period of another 5 years down - Age 23 to 28. They will be working adults, maybe, gone through army, yes, some maybe still be pursuing higher studies perhaps? Or graduating soon... Is this the age group that we see has less drive? How is their working attitude? Ok, now that I am touching on the topic of 'drive', maybe I should also post on the other thread..
If you wish to talk about GEP/other education related, please continue here. And if you wish to write about 'drive', please write in the other thread:http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=31534&p=703483#p703483
Ok, I must also say at this point that I am not blaming the GEP for causing the lack of drive in students, or that our education system is the only reason for lack of drive. I am trying to point out the fact that GEP may result in parental drive that ends up in lack of drive in students. -
Chenonceau:
:goodpost:Schools motivate children by terrorising them with failure. That is the best way to kill drive.
Teachers manage students with scoldings more than praise. Again, another good way to kill drive.
In the exam-oriented set-up, only the top 10 of the top 2 classes out of 10 classes of 40 students feel validated by their efforts (i.e., 20 out of 400 students). 380 students know and learn to accept that they're not at the top and will never be. Also no drive.
Why bother Mom, I'm never gonna be one of the smart ones?
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