MOE Relooking P1 registration - Too much priority to alumni
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Actually I don’t really understand the rationale of parents who are asking for the alumni phase to be removed…I mean does it really mean that their child can get into a nearby popular school?
My thinking is that for a popular nearby school (which currently has a significant number of places taken up at 2A phase), even if this phase is removed, there is also almost 100% certainty that balloting is still required at Phase 2B or 2C based on distance right? So it is not a clear win benefit for those who stay near but no affiliations with the school.
For not so popular schools, the number of places taken up at 2A should not be high with the current policy, and those staying near but with no affiliations already have a very high chance(or 100% chance) or getting into the school… -
Tokidoki:
There is a difference under the current system. Alumni = automatic guarantee your child gets a place in the school. Buying a flat next to the school = a shot at balloting at Phase 2C (or 2B if you volunteered). No guarantees at all.
Precisely. And a lot are juz renting to get the address. Why should this be tolerated?MMM:
Frankly, I am not sure what is defined as a fair system. If it is fair to one, it would be unfair to another. Is distance fair??? Yes. But not if parents intentionally buy a flat next to the school just because they can afford to do so. -
I am quite against PV too, but I’d settle for alumni rule being changed for now.
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sean wife:
The other thing is Phase 2A actually does not make up a big number in most years.Actually I don’t really understand the rationale of parents who are asking for the alumni phase to be removed…I mean does it really mean that their child can get into a nearby popular school?
My thinking is that for a popular nearby school (which currently has a significant number of places taken up at 2A phase), even if this phase is removed, there is also almost 100% certainty that balloting is still required at Phase 2B or 2C based on distance right? So it is not a clear win benefit for those who stay near but no affiliations with the school.
For not so popular schools, the number of places taken up at 2A should not be high with the current policy, and those staying near but with no affiliations already have a very high chance(or 100% chance) or getting into the school… -
sean wife:
Arguably there would be more spaces open to the 'public' (non alumni) for balloting?
My thinking is that for a popular nearby school (which currently has a significant number of places taken up at 2A phase), even if this phase is removed, there is also almost 100% certainty that balloting is still required at Phase 2B or 2C based on distance right? So it is not a clear win benefit for those who stay near but no affiliations with the school. -
HVR:
Tend to agree with your view on non-active alumni but varying degrees of freeloaders exist everywhere, in every scheme, in my office. I am not sure we should remove alumni scheme totally... I hold my thoughts.[/quote]I don't think Government can ever remove the alumni scheme totally. We can't move from a system where alumni's children have automatic entry, immediately to a system where alumni roots count for nothing. It sounds very extreme and drastic to me!3Boys:
[quote=\"HVR\"]Alumni is but one of the criteria and if you remove it, people will go around it and make sure they fulfill other requirements in order to have priority in registration. If alumni connection is unfair, how about grassroots and PV? At least alumni instill sense of loyalty and make you appreciate what you've benefited from the school, and hopefully, you'll pay it forward.
Its unfair because its hereditary, and we have a public school system, notionally open to ALL Singaporeans, not a monarchy. I have made my statement previously about active vs non-active alumni.
My gut feel (though I have no insider clues) is that it will be some combination of reducing the alumni advantage - perhaps no longer automatic entry, I'm not sure. Alumni links will probably continue to count for something, but it probably won't guarantee a place. -
3Boys:
of \"existing students\" only..
Siblings is Phase 1.
or applies to ex-student also? (i.e. age gap > 6 yrs.) -
ksi:
For not so popular schools, Phase 2A doesn't make up a big number. Many of these schools are fairly new, and may not have existed in our time!
The other thing is Phase 2A actually does not make up a big number in most years.sean wife:
Actually I don’t really understand the rationale of parents who are asking for the alumni phase to be removed…I mean does it really mean that their child can get into a nearby popular school?
My thinking is that for a popular nearby school (which currently has a significant number of places taken up at 2A phase), even if this phase is removed, there is also almost 100% certainty that balloting is still required at Phase 2B or 2C based on distance right? So it is not a clear win benefit for those who stay near but no affiliations with the school.
For not so popular schools, the number of places taken up at 2A should not be high with the current policy, and those staying near but with no affiliations already have a very high chance(or 100% chance) or getting into the school… -
3Boys:
I am quite against PV too, but I'd settle for alumni rule being changed for now.
Since MOE is willing to look into P1 registration, it is good enough for the moment. -
3Boys:
I am not getting you when you mentioned \"hereditary\" and your argument on this is vague. If your younger child is time to go into school where the older siblings have studied in the school before. Removing alumni means removing totally.....there should not be grey area in it. Then by all means ballot again....if can't get in then study in another school. No pass on and no herediary.....for the fairness.HVR:
Alumni is but one of the criteria and if you remove it, people will go around it and make sure they fulfill other requirements in order to have priority in registration. If alumni connection is unfair, how about grassroots and PV? At least alumni instill sense of loyalty and make you appreciate what you've benefited from the school, and hopefully, you'll pay it forward.
Its unfair because its hereditary, and we have a public school system, notionally open to ALL Singaporeans, not a monarchy. I have made my statement previously about active vs non-active alumni.
Or are you just thinking about yourself? :evil:
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