MOE Relooking P1 registration - Too much priority to alumni
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vicki:
Ya like u said do limit phase 1 might while combined all & be fair to all & do balloting. So the same thought for us, limit phase 2A meanswhile combine all phases 1 to 2C & be fair to all.nlimm:
Vicki: y phase2A should stay ? Coz old boys old girls are those who make the school to be consider as ' Top school'. Aren't these old boys old girls those whom had earned the schools the awards/titles? On top of coz the sense of belonging. Todate all top sch majority seats r taken during phase 1. Instead of applying changes to phase 2A , they should look into those under phase 1 & limit the seats given to this phase too. Based on Nyps 2011,50% taken by phase 1 & 30% taken by phase2 only.
If again ur reason of not touching phase1 is coz of convenience like what Idad mentioned, y not move ur 1st kid to the sch nearest to ur home n put ur 2nd kid there then tta really convenience & practical right? ( sorry if I sound direct here , no personal attack k:))
And again all of us want our kids to be in a good sch & of coz with the sentimental attachment tts the best.
Instead of looking into phase 2A, don't u all think tt phase 2B is more redundant?eg Grassroot ? Wats the contribution to the sch? And for PV, how many of these parents still contribute to the sch?
My friendly rebuttals are as follows:
1) I never said 2a to go. I said limit it. Why should there be royalty aka bloodline treatment given specially n thoroughly to this group of pple. Yes. They have benefitted from the school but other than for pride n sentimental reasons - why should they be guaranteed a space.
True, some students contributed to the good results (Be it academic or via sports). But NOT all contributions are equal n also NOT all contributed rite? So, going by the logic u mentioned, then the school should pick up those old boys n old gals who really deserve a place n weed out those that don't. But should we do this? No. Cos then it will become very elitist.
2) I feel 2a n 2b church/clan n 2b pv should be treated in the same manner. Cos if we were to talk abt past contributions... then without the church n clan.. maybe the school might not have started off or flourished well...
2b gv - debatable - so no comments on this.
3) Phase 1 is not solely abt convenience. It's abt practicality!! Different set of schools might mean different textbooks/ logistics/ school uniform prob..
Are u sure that limiting phase 1 is a good idea? I bet other than those parents with one kid or those in 2c, every other parent will 'throw eggs' at the govt if that happen cos I cannot thk of a sensible n logical reason for this.
Frankly, if they limit, n I don't get in, I won't 'cry' over it cos it just means spending more money only (together abv stuff n school bus fees) - but for those who don't hve this luxury - it will be a stretch.
N i feel that should they decide to limit phase1, then they might as well do away with all the phases n just call it the Great Singapore Primary 1 Registration - n do it via ballot then it's truly a fair process!
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Please do not just comment and suggest ideas that benefit your kids. -
vicki:
For full school like St Nic, the primary school and the secondary school is one school ie. They share the school compound and have the same principal, school motto etc.Baby_May_09:
vicki:
Same here...don't understand this 'full school' thing...why is it so different ? Same uniform, same badge what. Difference is CHIJ St Nic is SAP school.But alot of these schools are also one primary n one secondary....
Eg: CHIJ (TP), CHIJ (Katong) etc....
Dont really understand why some can and some cannot....
The benefits are 2 ways. The secondary school students enjoys phase 2A (cause the secondary school and primary school is the same) and the primary school students get to go to the secondary school with a lower COP. Moreover there will be a few express classes for St Nics primary students (20 years ago they have express, not so sure whether now still have) even though the secondary school is a SAP school.[/quote]
If u compare IJ TP n St Nics... The difference is just hvg a different school prinicipal. Everythg else is the same. So why St Nics is a full school n IJ TP is not???[/quote]
The same principal meaning both the primary school and secondary school are like a 10 years school. For other IJ school, they are affiliated but not full school. The principals for primary and secondary school are different, they are independent. I am not sure whether the other IJs primary school and secondary school share the same sports day, have assembly etc. (the software) together beside sharing the same canteen and facilities etc. (hardware). -
janet_lee88:
Same here don't comprehend this part.
Same here...don't understand this 'full school' thing...why is it so different ? Same uniform, same badge what. Difference is CHIJ St Nic is SAP school.vicki:
But alot of these schools are also one primary n one secondary....
Eg: CHIJ (TP), CHIJ (Katong) etc....
Dont really understand why some can and some cannot....
From what I see , the best way for all top schools with overwhelming applicants to have all kids go through assessments( be even more stressful for parents ) but I will rather do so which is the fairest way then to argue here which phase shd go which phased shd combine. As personally I feel that phase 1 is usually the Phase that take up mOst seats so they shd set limit to this too -
nlimm:
Am I right to assume that you have only 1 child?
Same here don't comprehend this part.
From what I see , the best way for all top schools with overwhelming applicants to have all kids go through assessments( be even more stressful for parents ) but I will rather do so which is the fairest way then to argue here which phase shd go which phased shd combine. As personally I feel that phase 1 is usually the Phase that take up mOst seats so they shd set limit to this too -
mum_sugoku:
I notice that the schools that have most seats taken up at Phase 1 are Co-Ed schools. Single-gender schools won't have quite much of that trend.
Am I right to assume that you have only 1 child?nlimm:
Same here don't comprehend this part.
From what I see , the best way for all top schools with overwhelming applicants to have all kids go through assessments( be even more stressful for parents ) but I will rather do so which is the fairest way then to argue here which phase shd go which phased shd combine. As personally I feel that phase 1 is usually the Phase that take up mOst seats so they shd set limit to this too -
nlimm:
Again.. my friendly rebuttals... Hopefully no hard feelings...
Ya like u said do limit phase 1 might while combined all & be fair to all & do balloting. So the same thought for us, limit phase 2A meanswhile combine all phases 1 to 2C & be fair to all.
Please do not just comment and suggest ideas that benefit your kids.
Since i am communicating with you on this issue, i can only assume that your above last stt is directed to me.
You seem to imply that i am commenting n suggesting ideas that only benefit my kids... i totally DO NOT agree to your statement.
1) I am being practical here. And i am sure most parents here with more than one kid will attest to that. It makes no logical sense to end up with a situation that if you are a parent of many kids - you end up fetching and sending your kids to different schools (and spending more money) just because you end up 'suay'.
2) 2A is not related to a 'practical' solution unlike 1. Its a bloodline given right. Unless we have a monarchy system - i strongly feel that this should be categorised in the same capacity as 2B - limited spaces.
Let me clarify - i have 2a connections also and it is good to have 2a connections for my kids too (if they dont change the 2a system now) - but i still personally feel that it is one area that should be 'relooked at' because the current system is not that 'fair' when you compare it against the 2b.
So - if i were to be selfish and want total benefits to my kids - then my comment would have be \"NO CHANGES\". Cos my future generation n current kids would have benefited from the 'current' system.
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mum_sugoku:
I think nlimm mentioned somewhere before that she has 2 kids but none in P1 yet. Correct nlimm?
Am I right to assume that you have only 1 child?nlimm:
Same here don't comprehend this part.
From what I see , the best way for all top schools with overwhelming applicants to have all kids go through assessments( be even more stressful for parents ) but I will rather do so which is the fairest way then to argue here which phase shd go which phased shd combine. As personally I feel that phase 1 is usually the Phase that take up mOst seats so they shd set limit to this too
n my guess would be you have a good school connection under 2A n thats why you are probably concerned abt the changes? :hugs: -
vicki:
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Again.. my friendly rebuttals... Hopefully no hard feelings...
Since i am communicating with you on this issue, i can only assume that your above last stt is directed to me.
You seem to imply that i am commenting n suggesting ideas that only benefit my kids... i totally DO NOT agree to your statement.
1) I am being practical here. And i am sure most parents here with more than one kid will attest to that. It makes no logical sense to end up with a situation that if you are a parent of many kids - you end up fetching and sending your kids to different schools (and spending more money) just because you end up 'suay'.
2) 2A is not related to a 'practical' solution unlike 1. Its a bloodline given right. Unless we have a monarchy system - i strongly feel that this should be categorised in the same capacity as 2B - limited spaces.
Let me clarify - i have 2a connections also and it is good to have 2a connections for my kids too (if they dont change the 2a system now) - but i still personally feel that it is one area that should be 'relooked at' because the current system is not that 'fair' when you compare it against the 2b.
So - if i were to be selfish and want total benefits to my kids - then my comment would have be \"NO CHANGES\". Cos my future generation n current kids would have benefited from the 'current' system.
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I registered my daughter back in my old school although many thought I was nuts to do so…I enjoy phase 1 if I had put her in co-ed school as my son.
When it comes to my grandchildren to register for P1, I know my daughter will do the same if she has a daughter…bcos she enjoys the culture of her school. For this reason, I admit I am selfish to ask that Phase 2A stays.
Children of the future should have no problems getting into popular schools bcos most of them are attending such schools now. Co-Ed schools are mostly the ones which parents want more vacancies opened up. So I think HSK will be cracking his head trying to resolve this issue. -
nlimm:
Could be kids are smarter nowadays, or could also be we parents are too worried till keep \"feeding\" information into our kids to get them to learn more. I too am home teaching my kid. Don't teach then if lack behind becomes our fault for not providing a good studying environment for our kid to learn?
I think so but it's inevitable if u put him in cc coz they have to cater to every kids. It's what happening to my boy now.As he yr-end baby I worried that he can't catch up with jan babies so I work parttime & taught him myself.When he's 17th mth(2009) hes attending classes with 24-36mths (2008)kids. Started this yr I put him into cc & the curriculum are what he had aldy learned & he started to get bored & always got complained from teachers that he ' strays' to N2-K2 classes. I am thinking if to withdraw him but most of the cc I checked out syllabus r similar. Quite a nos of my Frds' kids having same problem , maybe Mcys shd also look into cc's curriculum & improve fr there since nowsaday kids tend to be smarter too( abit off track here)
Teach also our fault for causing our kid lost interest in class? :frustrated:
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