MOE Relooking P1 registration - Too much priority to alumni

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laughingcat:

concern2:

Hey, people, has it occurred to you that if distance become priority, and that being the key determining factor to school selection, then there will be LESS TRAFFIC on the roads - less school buses, no need to drive children to school (walk/cycle can do), less traffic cramped outside school compounds (less hazards to children), we save, govt also save, no need to buy so many buses, no need to squeeze in crowded buses and MRTs to get to school? I mean - like the roads are so much quieter during school holidays!!! Doesn't it mean something to you?

Then as what I have quote earlier.....schools like SCGS and ACS, they don't have HDB flats within 2km.

So do you want to see social divides (Rich and Poor) in such schools?

I'm sorry to burst your bubble dear, there are HDB flats with 2km of SCGS, ACSP and ACSJ. They are at Cambridge, Owen Road, Ah Hood areas. For ACSJ, within 1km also have, Blk 661, 662 Tekka Market. So your argument doesn't hold.

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dorisp:

JGMum:

Err... please correct me if I am wrong. :scratchhead: (Don't flame me, okay).

I have always thought that the original notion (as you call it) is not priority by distance, it is alumni more important than distance. Perhaps the question you are asking is should the original intent - where alumni is more important than other 2B connections, and 2B connections more important than distance - be changed?
:siam:

No worries, its friendly discussion as far as I am concern.

With or without one 1998 MOE speech, I believe all of us know the original notion of the policy is for prority to alumni over \"others\" but somehow the policy also recognises home proximity as an important factor to the child and the family.

In recent years, the bigger and bigger 2A take up rate plus more mis-matches of home school arrangements due to the umbrella priority given to 2A (regardless of distance) trigerred the need for policy holders to relook into this system.

When there are concerns or issues over existing policies, the policy makers ought to re-evaluate if they should still insist priority of alumni (especially those staying far) over all others to such extend that it totally disregard distance priority and done at the expense of another family's travel time. All policies need to cater for newer developments, recent changes and better efficiency.

The points in red....excellent! :goodpost:

[mum_sugoku]

JGMum:

dorisp:

Well, it is not about 2A1 vs 2A2 or 2A (as a whole) vs 2B or 2C.


IMHO, we could keep the alumni connection (2A1+2A2), we can also keep PV, clan and GRL (2B) as it is a system run by willing parties knowing the odds.

The issue seemed to be those 2A (as a whole) staying >2km or far away.

The numbers of registration in 2A are more and more alarming, so it may mean there are more and more of those 2A >2km. Each 2A >2km taken will be at the expense of one 2C <1km.

Hence the issue is \"is there too much priority given to alumni\" so much so that it is unconditional leading to inefficiency and totally make the original notion whereby priority by distance a mockery.

Err... please correct me if I am wrong. :scratchhead: (Don't flame me, okay).
I have always thought that the original notion (as you call it) is not priority by distance, it is alumni more important than distance. Perhaps the question you are asking is should the original intent - where alumni is more important than other 2B connections, and 2B connections more important than distance - be changed?
:siam:

Actually priority is still given by distance. Except for phase 1, quotas are set for other phases - including phase 2A. If the number of applicants exceed the places allotted for that phase, those who live within 1Km of the school would have priority over those who live further away (See link below).

http://www.moe.gov.sg/education/admissions/primary-one-registration/allocation/

[limlim]

laughingcat:

Take a look at SCGS and ACS......do you see HDB within 2km????? The answer is NO. Are we creating social divides here by looking at distance only?

And with such low population density (since no HDB), you are afraid that the vacancies will be be fully taken up by those <2km and left nothing for alumni far far away?

[limlim]

concern2:

Hey, people, has it occurred to you that if distance become priority, and that being the key determining factor to school selection, then there will be LESS TRAFFIC on the roads - less school buses, no need to drive children to school (walk/cycle can do), less traffic cramped outside school compounds (less hazards to children), we save, govt also save, no need to buy so many buses, no need to squeeze in crowded buses and MRTs to get to school? I mean - like the roads are so much quieter during school holidays!!! Doesn't it mean something to you?

:goodpost:

Best interest of the community....... wah.. bonus point..

[limlim]

IDad:

laughingcat:

[quote=\"concern2\"]Hey, people, has it occurred to you that if distance become priority, and that being the key determining factor to school selection, then there will be LESS TRAFFIC on the roads - less school buses, no need to drive children to school (walk/cycle can do), less traffic cramped outside school compounds (less hazards to children), we save, govt also save, no need to buy so many buses, no need to squeeze in crowded buses and MRTs to get to school? I mean - like the roads are so much quieter during school holidays!!! Doesn't it mean something to you?

Then as what I have quote earlier.....schools like SCGS and ACS, they don't have HDB flats within 2km.

So do you want to see social divides (Rich and Poor) in such schools?

I'm sorry to burst your bubble dear, there are HDB flats with 2km of SCGS, ACSP and ACSJ. They are at Cambridge, Owen Road, Ah Hood areas. For ACSJ, within 1km also have, Blk 661, 662 Tekka Market. So your argument doesn't hold.[/quote]Even if what she said is true (No HDB), her argument doesn't hold either.. as point out earlier.. the low population density nearby is unlikely to burst the available vacancies by itself.

[limlim]

mum_sugoku:

Actually priority is still given by distance. Except for phase 1, quotas are set for other phases - including phase 2A. If the number of applicants exceed the places allotted for that phase, those who live within 1Km of the school would have priority over those who live further away (See link below).

http://www.moe.gov.sg/education/admissions/primary-one-registration/allocation/

It shd have been the other way, distance, then Alumni, not like what it is now.

First, distance to qualify for the phase, then, priority for alumni or PV, clan, grassroots.. whatever..

[mrswongtuition]

The danger in factoring distance for almost all phases:

Property prices will go out of control.
Then, even if the catchment area has many HDB flats, there will be a ‘divide’ due to affordability.

I think it has to be carefully balanced.

As mentioned earlier, no solution will make everyone satisfied.
MOE not only has to weigh the interest of the students, they have to consider the convenience of the parents and ultimately, the impact on Singapore as a whole.

I’m in favour of revamping the system, but they should focus on improving the registration process first.
Change of criterion - to be settled after they get the registration process online and convenient for all parents.

[dorisp]

limlim:

laughingcat:

Take a look at SCGS and ACS......do you see HDB within 2km????? The answer is NO. Are we creating social divides here by looking at distance only?

And with such low population density (since no HDB), you are afraid that the vacancies will be be fully taken up by those <2km and left nothing for alumni far far away?

Wah! This is very direct but unfortunately very straight to the point......

[dorisp]

limlim:

mum_sugoku:

Actually priority is still given by distance. Except for phase 1, quotas are set for other phases - including phase 2A. If the number of applicants exceed the places allotted for that phase, those who live within 1Km of the school would have priority over those who live further away (See link below).

http://www.moe.gov.sg/education/admissions/primary-one-registration/allocation/

It shd have been the other way, distance, then Alumni, not like what it is now.

First, distance to qualify for the phase, then, priority for alumni or PV, clan, grassroots.. whatever..

This is certainly a good point and fair view coming from the \"head\".