MOE Relooking P1 registration - Too much priority to alumni

[mum_sugoku]

sunbeamz:

hmmmm so I can deduce too that you are probably one of those that dosen't qualify for the 2A phase? :salute:

I believe all of us have our own alumni. It's just whether you want to go back there or not for whatsoever reasons. I really feel that this unahppiness against alumni priority is because it is percieved by others that there are better schools than their own.

Not true lah. Take myself for instance, I could have joined NY schools alumni group and gotten my kids into NYPS via phase 2A. Instead, we had chosen to enrol them in the nearest primary school to minimise travelling time.

In fact all my ex-classmates (with whom I'm still in contact with) had also done the same thing, ie chosen \"proximity\" over \"connection\"..

[LOLMum]

mum_sugoku:

sunbeamz:

hmmmm so I can deduce too that you are probably one of those that dosen't qualify for the 2A phase? :salute:

I believe all of us have our own alumni. It's just whether you want to go back there or not for whatsoever reasons. I really feel that this unahppiness against alumni priority is because it is percieved by others that there are better schools than their own.

Not true lah. Take myself for instance, I could have joined NY schools alumni group and gotten my kids into NYPS via phase 2A. Instead, we had chosen to enrol them in the nearest primary school to minimise travelling time.

In fact all my ex-classmates (with whom I'm still in contact with) had also done the same thing, ie chosen \"proximity\" over \"connection\"..

so you and your friends are one group which the parents in phase 2b and 2c love and hate dearly. :evil: :evil:

parents who want to enrol in nyps love you guys because you guys gave up the places in phase 2a thus increase the no. of vacancies for phase 2b and 2c.

parents in your neighbourhood hate you because you guys are now competing with them in phase 2b and 2c. in their mind, you ought to have chosen nyps (far away).

[Lyddon]

dorisp:

BlueBells:

Business executive Zachary Teo, 40, said he moved to Serangoon North to be close to popular Rosyth School, but he was not sure that his two children would get in.

'It will be ridiculous if I can't get a place at Rosyth and have to send my son by school bus to a school in Ang Mo Kio or Hougang,' he said.

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Here's a good example of someone buying a property near a desired \"popular\" school to gain \"higher\" chance of enroling his child in.

For simplicity of illustration, imagine:

1) The school in question is the No.1 Top performing school in singapore. (top PSLE, Top GEP, top in everything)
2) there are only 100 properties within the 1km radius of the school, and,
3) there are 100 Pri.1 vacancies in that school, and
4) Priority based solely on distance only.

Will these 100 properties be in high demand by parents who want their children to be in that school?
What happens when there is high demand and limited supply (property)?
Who will be able to afford to buy and/or staying in those 100 properties?
Whose children will eventually be enrolled into this school?
Now that the current cohort of children have enroled into Pri.1, next year the same thing happens.... with a new group of parents wanting their children to be in that school. Existing parent reluctant to sell property due to convenience... except at a more \"attractive\" price.
The financially more well-off parents paids that \"attractive\" price\" and get their child enroled in Pri.1. ...
The cycle continues....

If priority is based solely on distance, and nothing else... the above is likely to happen ... to a lesser extremem, of course.

You arrive at your own conclusion based on the above.

[dorisp]

Lyddon:

If priority is based solely on distance, and nothing else... the above is likely to happen ... to a lesser extremem, of course.


You arrive at your own conclusion based on the above.

Let me try to explain my suggestions again.

As far as I am concern, I am of the humble idea that there should still be priority given to alumni (2A) as I am convinced of the merits if this arrangement. As said, the current system put forth since 1999 is serving this well. The current policy, at the same time, also correctly addresses the importance of distance proximity and had also put in place a priority system that caters to it. As a result, this current policy managed to look after the interest of both groups of applicants that is deemed important for school enrollment.

Unfortunately of recent years, there seem more and more >2km alumni (2A) taking up places and all done at the expense of <1km others (2B and 2C) so while the >2km alumni family is willing to travel far and whether they are pleased or not it is their choice. But as a result of this, the domino effect is as many of those <1km others family cannot get a place, they had to travel further, without a choice.

As suggested many times, I think alumni priority is to be kept but only for those <2km. As for alumni >2km, perhaps they should be put into the same group as those others <1km. If this really works, there is still priority given to these >2km alumni because although they are staying further, their chances are equal to those other but <1km.

In conclusion, it is not \"priority to be based solely on distance, and nothing else\".

[CactusInDesert]

Those currently staying near popular school (w kids entering pri school) will be laughing all the way to both the bank and the school because it will be one stone kills two birds. It will be like strike 4D for them.

[Lyddon]

dorisp:

Lyddon:

If priority is based solely on distance, and nothing else... the above is likely to happen ... to a lesser extremem, of course.


You arrive at your own conclusion based on the above.

Let me try to explain my suggestions again.

As far as I am concern, I am of the humble idea that there should still be priority given to alumni (2A) as I am convinced of the merits if this arrangement. As said, the current system put forth since 1999 is serving this well. The current policy, at the same time, also correctly addresses the importance of distance proximity and had also put in place a priority system that caters to it. As a result, this current policy managed to look after the interest of both groups of applicants that is deemed important for school enrollment.

Unfortunately of recent years, there seem more and more >2km alumni (2A) taking up places and all done at the expense of <1km others (2B and 2C) so while the >2km alumni family is willing to travel far and whether they are pleased or not it is their choice. But as a result of this, the domino effect is as many of those <1km others family cannot get a place, they had to travel further, without a choice.

As suggested many times, I think alumni priority is to be kept but only for those <2km. As for alumni >2km, perhaps they should be put into the same group as those others <1km. If this really works, there is still priority given to these >2km alumni because although they are staying further, their chances are equal to those other but <1km.

In conclusion, it is not \"priority to be based solely on distance, and nothing else\".

Since we are on the topic of distance....Why only 0-2km? I propose 0-5km, since travel time across 5km is still reasonable. It wld not be right that the child at 2-5km and takes 30mins to travel is grouped / prioritize together with the one at pulau ubin

[keroppi]

Surely every parent must have a primary school here? Aren’t they proud of their school? Don’t they wish their kids attend the same primary school as they did?


I feel they should do away with PVs and grassroots first. Then let citizens apply before PRs and PRs before foreigners.

[limlim]

CactusInDesert:

Those currently staying near popular school (w kids entering pri school) will be laughing all the way to both the bank and the school because it will be one stone kills two birds. It will be like strike 4D for them.

Wrong. Only 1.

Either you enjoy the convenient or you enjoy the price appreciation (sell it off). Not both. Unless you talk about renting which is likely small % only.. not many HDB flats got \"excess space\" top be rented out.. and those richer ones are unlikely to want the inconvenience of outsider in their house. If it benefits those less well-to-do.. well. it's a good thing.. isn't it?

[limlim]

Lyddon:

Since we are on the topic of distance....Why only 0-2km? I propose 0-5km, since travel time across 5km is still reasonable. It wld not be right that the child at 2-5km and takes 30mins to travel is grouped / prioritize together with the one at pulau ubin

Reasonable Walking distance.

I don't feel 5km is reasonable to a small kid.. Not even 2~3km. YMMV..

[blueblue]

keroppi:

Surely every parent must have a primary school here? Aren't they proud of their school? Don't they wish their kids attend the same primary school as they did?


I feel they should do away with PVs and grassroots first. Then let citizens apply before PRs and PRs before foreigners.

I wouldn't mind sending my son to my ex primary sch only that mine don't accept boys. As for my husband, his ex sch at jurong. We live in Serangoon. Not practical to send him all the way there..