MOE Relooking P1 registration - Too much priority to alumni
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dorisp:
Fair because you think alumni is more important than founders?
Fair!Nebbermind:
[quote=\"dorisp\"]
Now church and clan falls under 2B, behind 2A.
Any views? :scratchhead:
[/quote]Haha! I am of another view. I feel that after phase 1, they shd just divide equal places between 2a 2b n 2c. N 2a shd just ballot for the seats (just like 2b folks) if there are more applicants than vacancies.
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puff:
Very nice analogy!!
My view is:dorisp:
Some earlier discussions shared how some schools were founded by church and clan members and without them, the school might not be what it is now.
I am impresed with the many contributions made by the alumni but the founders could be the group that had put in money and effort to make it all possible in the first place.
Now church and clan falls under 2B, behind 2A.
Any views? :scratchhead:
Alumni is directly link to the school ( like your own children)
Under 2b u must be first link clan / church n church/ clan is link to sch ( is like distance relative)
Under 2b PV . U r not related but choose to help out ( is like adopted child)
Under 2c . <1km ( just like next door neighbour)
About alumni who stay more than 2 km fr sch ( is like your kids who married oversea although cannot visit you often but still deserve your love like the other sibling)
Dun flame me :siam: :siam: :siam:
But hor.. ask you hor.. You pay for your kid's education only OR the whole village pay for most of it?
If the rest of the village pays most of it..
then why should they let you have priority? :evil:
we shd not forget that Govt schools are funded by all the tax payers.. not only alumni.. even thou they have contributed in 1 way or the other. -
puff:
Brillantly illustrated.
My view is:dorisp:
Some earlier discussions shared how some schools were founded by church and clan members and without them, the school might not be what it is now.
I am impresed with the many contributions made by the alumni but the founders could be the group that had put in money and effort to make it all possible in the first place.
Now church and clan falls under 2B, behind 2A.
Any views? :scratchhead:
Alumni is directly link to the school ( like your own children)
Under 2b u must be first link clan / church n church/ clan is link to sch ( is like distance relative)
Under 2b PV . U r not related but choose to help out ( is like adopted child)
Under 2c . <1km ( just like next door neighbour)
About alumni who stay more than 2 km fr sch ( is like your kids who married oversea although cannot visit you often but still deserve your love like the other sibling)
Dun flame me :siam: :siam: :siam:
:goodpost: :goodpost: -
limlim:
Very nice analogy!!
My view is:puff:
[quote=\"dorisp\"]Some earlier discussions shared how some schools were founded by church and clan members and without them, the school might not be what it is now.
I am impresed with the many contributions made by the alumni but the founders could be the group that had put in money and effort to make it all possible in the first place.
Now church and clan falls under 2B, behind 2A.
Any views? :scratchhead:
Alumni is directly link to the school ( like your own children)
Under 2b u must be first link clan / church n church/ clan is link to sch ( is like distance relative)
Under 2b PV . U r not related but choose to help out ( is like adopted child)
Under 2c . <1km ( just like next door neighbour)
About alumni who stay more than 2 km fr sch ( is like your kids who married oversea although cannot visit you often but still deserve your love like the other sibling)
Dun flame me :siam: :siam: :siam:
But hor.. ask you hor.. You pay for your kid's education only OR the whole village pay for most of it?
If the rest of the village pays most of it..
then why should they let you have priority? :evil:
we shd not forget that Govt schools are funded by all the tax payers.. not only alumni.. even thou they have contributed in 1 way or the other.[/quote]what made the popular schools popular??? the children, distant relatives, adopted child or the neighbours??? -
castanst:
Um....let me also try:
what made the popular schools popular??? the children, distant relatives, adopted child or the neighbours???
what made SIA popular? the SQ girls, the pilot, the ground staff or the passengers?
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limlim:
Very nice analogy!!
My view is:puff:
[quote=\"dorisp\"]Some earlier discussions shared how some schools were founded by church and clan members and without them, the school might not be what it is now.
I am impresed with the many contributions made by the alumni but the founders could be the group that had put in money and effort to make it all possible in the first place.
Now church and clan falls under 2B, behind 2A.
Any views? :scratchhead:
Alumni is directly link to the school ( like your own children)
Under 2b u must be first link clan / church n church/ clan is link to sch ( is like distance relative)
Under 2b PV . U r not related but choose to help out ( is like adopted child)
Under 2c . <1km ( just like next door neighbour)
About alumni who stay more than 2 km fr sch ( is like your kids who married oversea although cannot visit you often but still deserve your love like the other sibling)
Dun flame me :siam: :siam: :siam:
But hor.. ask you hor.. You pay for your kid's education only OR the whole village pay for most of it?
If the rest of the village pays most of it..
then why should they let you have priority? :evil:
we shd not forget that Govt schools are funded by all the tax payers.. not only alumni.. even thou they have contributed in 1 way or the other.[/quote] :goodpost:
I see your point.
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dorisp:
Um....is it the same as: what made SIA popular? the SQ girls, the pilot, the ground staff or the passengers? :scratchhead:castanst:
what made the popular schools popular??? the children, distant relatives, adopted child or the neighbours???
more like which comes first? egg or chicken? -
limlim:
Every villager pay $x for the school.
But hor.. ask you hor.. You pay for your kid's education only OR the whole village pay for most of it?
If the rest of the village pays most of it..
then why should they let you have priority? :evil:
we shd not forget that Govt schools are funded by all the tax payers.. not only alumni.. even thou they have contributed in 1 way or the other.
Alumni, being also a villager, also pays $x. On top of that:
1) he (or parents) pays $y donation for help school building / faciliaties improvement.
2) He, together with the rest of his classmates (with teachers & parents help) study hard and indirectly build up strong academic performance of school.
3) where there are certain talents, he spends extra time and effort to participate in national / international competitions and put the school in pride of place amongst other leading competing institutions.
4) He participates in school-lead social / community events - representing his school in contributing back to the community and the less privileged.
5) He does this for 6 years.
Now back to our non-alumni villager who pays $x, ... what else did he contribute to the school? -
Lyddon:
Not that he chose not to do (1) to (5), but just that he was never given a chance to contribute to the school.
Every villager pay $x for the school.limlim:
But hor.. ask you hor.. You pay for your kid's education only OR the whole village pay for most of it?
If the rest of the village pays most of it..
then why should they let you have priority? :evil:
we shd not forget that Govt schools are funded by all the tax payers.. not only alumni.. even thou they have contributed in 1 way or the other.
Alumni, being also a villager, also pays $x. On top of that:
1) he (or parents) pays $y donation for help school building / faciliaties improvement.
2) He, together with the rest of his classmates (with teachers & parents help) study hard and indirectly build up strong academic performance of school.
3) where there are certain talents, he spends extra time and effort to participate in national / international competitions and put the school in pride of place amongst other leading competing institutions.
4) He participates in school-lead social / community events - representing his school in contributing back to the community and the less privileged.
5) He does this for 6 years.
Now back to our non-alumni villager who pays $x, ... what else did he contribute to the school? -
limlim:
Note that I did not mention there are 100 families or 100 children planning to enrol. The demand across the whole of singapore is anybody's guess. I also mention the only priority is based on distance. No phase 1, 2A, and 2B.
For the purpose of discussion, let's assume there is 100 vacancies every year.Lyddon:
Here's a good example of someone buying a property near a desired \"popular\" school to gain \"higher\" chance of enroling his child in.
For simplicity of illustration, imagine:
1) The school in question is the No.1 Top performing school in singapore. (top PSLE, Top GEP, top in everything)
2) there are only 100 properties within the 1km radius of the school, and,
3) there are 100 Pri.1 vacancies in that school, and
4) Priority based solely on distance only.
If priority is based solely on distance, and nothing else... the above is likely to happen ... to a lesser extremem, of course.
You arrive at your own conclusion based on the above.
I would safety conclude that there will be significant number of variances available to others after all those who wants to enroll in P1 in the vicinity have done so..
Why, bcoz NOT all the 100 families have kids going to P1 every year!
if all these families \"stop at 2\" (assume), either they take up 20% of vacancies every year, and exhaust all the demand within 10 years (leaving 80% to others every year for 10yrs, 100% thereafter).. or, they take up 40% of vacancies every year, and exhaust all the demand within 5 years (leaving 60% to others every year for 5yrs, 100% thereafter).. OR they take up 80% of vacancies every year, and exhaust all the demand within 2 years (leaving >=20% to others every year for 3yrs, 100% thereafter).. Is there a cause for concern?? really??????????
Consider the above scenario again for Alumni. The blanket is now over the whole of Singapore.. I could safety assume that the P2A vacancies would highly possible be fully taken up leaving ~0% for others, even those staying at the door step, for each and every year!Lyddon:
All school are the same..For simplicity of illustration, imagine:
Lyddon:
Distance over connections.. anytime.You arrive at your own conclusion based on the above.
If there are only 100 of such properties available for sale right now, next to this top school.
Say there are 150 families who want their only child to enrol in this school. They are all going to try to out-bid each other for the 100 properties.
At the end, 100 parents paid $1mil for each of the 100 properties and their children got into Pri 1 in that school. The other 50 families / children tries to find another school for Pri1.
Next year (year 2), (assuming same national birth rate and same population)another group of 150 families want their only child to enrol to this top school. However, only 60 out of 100 families are willing to selling their $1mil property. The other 40 families do not want to sell due to convenience of proximity to school. Now we have 150 parents trying to out-bid each other for 60 properties. Properties will surely sell for more than $1mil, say ... $1.2mil. 60 children enrol to Pri1 via 1km priority. the other 90 ballot for 40 Pri.1 places for outside 1km.
Year 3, same scenario. New group of 150 families, and same 60 properties up for sale ... for $1.3mil each (remember last year was $1.2mil).
Year 4, ... same thing happens.
Every year, 60% of the Pri.1 cohort will come from families that are more and more well-off.
Now, extrapolate this when school has enrolment by top priority of 0-1km and then 2nd priority of 1-2km. Same thing will happen to the larger number of properties (maybe 200-400) in the 1-2km radius (though property price will be less and increase will be less).
Next, imagine the 150 families mentioned are the current Phase 2C applicants. If MOE decides to place applicants in Phase 2A and 2B under 0-1 km / 1-2km priority AND put a quota of XX% on them. This will result in additional families (on top of the 150 families) going to bid for those properties in 0-1km and 1-2km.
What will happen to the demographics of students in the school?
Of course, prices will not increase indefinately as it will be dependent other factors (like size of property, traffic conditions etc) wrt other properties in singapore.
The ultra-high net worth families in singapore may not necessary want to enrol their child/children in public school and may have other alternatives.
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