MOE Relooking P1 registration - Too much priority to alumni

[Namie]

I think there is nothing wrong with giving priority to alumni. I am not link to any alumni so my children do not have priority but if I would love my children to attend the same school as I did decades ago.


My hope is for the revamp to give citizens priority, ie

1 - siblings of citizens
2A - citizens who are alumni
2B - citizen parents who are members of churches, huay kwans and grassroots
2C - citizens
3 - PRs and foreigners with siblings in schools (cos PRs are foreigners)
4A - PRs & Foreigners who are alumni
4B - PRs & Foreigners who are members of churches, huay kwans and grassroots
4C - PRs & Foreigners

I also hope that if non-Christian who chose to enter Christian schools, to show some respect. My son told me during his school camp last year, a boy wrote a 4-letter word beginning with F on God. When my son asked, he said because he is not Catholic and he doesn’t like Christianity and the Catholic faith. Then why go to the school?

[IDad]

Namie:

I also hope that if non-Christian who chose to enter Christian schools, to show some respect. My son told me during his school camp last year, a boy wrote a 4-letter word beginning with F on God. When my son asked, he said because he is not Catholic and he doesn't like Christianity and the Catholic faith. Then why go to the school?

:offtopic:

I remember during one of my compulsory school devotion (in my school days), we were supposed to read the bible and one of my classmates purposely hold the bible upside down and he professed he is anti-Christ when the prefect asked him why is the bible upside down.

Fast forward 25 years, he is now a devoted Christian. We never know how God works in our lives and when or how He plant the seeds of love.

[nlimm]

OMG I din come in for only a wk and theres so many new posts to read

[nlimm]

Lyddon:

puff:

[quote=\"dorisp\"]Some earlier discussions shared how some schools were founded by church and clan members and without them, the school might not be what it is now.


I am impresed with the many contributions made by the alumni but the founders could be the group that had put in money and effort to make it all possible in the first place.

Now church and clan falls under 2B, behind 2A.

Any views? :scratchhead:

My view is:
Alumni is directly link to the school ( like your own children)
Under 2b u must be first link clan / church n church/ clan is link to sch ( is like distance relative)
Under 2b PV . U r not related but choose to help out ( is like adopted child)
Under 2c . <1km ( just like next door neighbour)

About alumni who stay more than 2 km fr sch ( is like your kids who married oversea although cannot visit you often but still deserve your love like the other sibling)

Dun flame me :siam: :siam: :siam:

Brillantly illustrated.
:goodpost: :goodpost:[/quote]Beautiful illustration:)

[nlimm]

limlim:

puff:

[quote=\"dorisp\"]Some earlier discussions shared how some schools were founded by church and clan members and without them, the school might not be what it is now.


I am impresed with the many contributions made by the alumni but the founders could be the group that had put in money and effort to make it all possible in the first place.

Now church and clan falls under 2B, behind 2A.

Any views? :scratchhead:

My view is:
Alumni is directly link to the school ( like your own children)
Under 2b u must be first link clan / church n church/ clan is link to sch ( is like distance relative)
Under 2b PV . U r not related but choose to help out ( is like adopted child)
Under 2c . <1km ( just like next door neighbour)

About alumni who stay more than 2 km fr sch ( is like your kids who married oversea although cannot visit you often but still deserve your love like the other sibling)

Dun flame me :siam: :siam: :siam:

Very nice analogy!!

But hor.. ask you hor.. You pay for your kid's education only OR the whole village pay for most of it?

If the rest of the village pays most of it..

then why should they let you have priority? :evil:

we shd not forget that Govt schools are funded by all the tax payers.. not only alumni.. even thou they have contributed in 1 way or the other.[/quote]Who pay more tax? In tt case should we prioritize according to the tax pay by the parents? Haha sound so funny( no hard feeling ye)

[chloecharlotte]

DesertWind:

Power Puff:

I agree with laughing cat and mrswongtuition's posts. For the many reasons already mentioned, alumni will obviously stay. I don't know how GRLs actually contribute directly to the school to warrant them priority. GRLs and community leaders should not even be at the same priority level as alumni. I suspect the Ministry may also phase out the PV scheme (to be effective after the 2014/15 registration) since it's ambiguous and several schools have already abolished it anyway, and give parents under 2B more priority based on distance between school and home.


For parents who are unhappy about sleeping alumni members, please remember these pupils have directly contributed to their school while they were studying there. You do not and cannot expect all alumni members to actively contribute to that same primary school for the rest of their lives as they also attend sec, post sec and uni, find jobs, get married, have children and other commitments? Choosing to send their kids back to the very same primary school is also another form of contribution. And it is true that despite the hiccups here and there, our public transportation system has improved. In the 70s and 80s, we didn't have MRT, LRT. We had to rely on public bus and for the more fortunate ones, school bus or private transport.

We should focus more on how to make the P1 registration system Phases 2B and 2C better by giving more priority according to distance, while leaving the siblings and alumni phases with the same top priority. Pupils of ex-siblings should be in the same phase as pupils of current siblings, in line with govt's efforts at encouraging procreation. To a smaller extent, MOE will also need to address the issue of priority given to SG citizens vs PRs. There's just so much resentment about Singaporeans being made to feel 2nd class citizens, as witnessed during the elections. Even if the citizenship priority is not addressed, then giving priority based on distance itself will be a good change and welcomed by many parents who have more than 1 child.

Very good post Power Puff!

1. Retain the alumni priority. There is no such thing as a \"sleeping alumni\". An alumni is an alumni!

2. This is one area whereby garmen can START to distinguish between citizens and PR. I have enough of a PR colleague laughing at us and ridiculing us, saying he has no reason to renounce his citizenship across the causeway since he enjoys ALL the benefits of having his family here in SG (even better than us since he can buy HDB flat whereas unmarried citizens can't!). C'mon, lets have some backbone man! :frustrated:

:goodpost:

[IDad]

nlimm:

Lyddon:

[quote=\"puff\"]

My view is:
Alumni is directly link to the school ( like your own children)
Under 2b u must be first link clan / church n church/ clan is link to sch ( is like distance relative)
Under 2b PV . U r not related but choose to help out ( is like adopted child)
Under 2c . <1km ( just like next door neighbour)

About alumni who stay more than 2 km fr sch ( is like your kids who married oversea although cannot visit you often but still deserve your love like the other sibling)

Dun flame me :siam: :siam: :siam:

Brillantly illustrated.
:goodpost: :goodpost:

Beautiful illustration:)[/quote]Not really, clan and church should really be blood ancestors....not distant relative.....direct lineage. Same as alumni IMO.

[laughingcat]

IDad:

Not really, clan and church should really be blood ancestors....not distant relative.....direct lineage. Same as alumni IMO.

Really :siao: lah.

Are we encouraging the society to have school only for \"Tan\"? Mixed blood cannot because not pure? :siao: don't know what is all this driving at if that is the case, then might as well self fund your own school then. No need to have government support then. :yikes:

[dorisp]

So it seems for every argument, there are supporters from both sides.


If the two sides are \"unconditional priority for alumni including >2km\" vs \"priority by distance for others <1km\", then very soon, there will not be two sides anymore. This is because at the rate things are going and if policy makers do not step in soon, there are strong possibilities that only 0 places are left for 2B and 2C after the alumni 2A and all alumni will be balloting based on distance. The school will be totally out of bound for non alimni regardless of how near you stay.

If this is a desirable and acceptable outcome for the authority that unconditional priorities be given to alumni no matter how far they stay and not look after those non alumni staying very near the schools, then there is no point debating anymore because by simply keeping status quo, we do know somehow, it has already been decided that both sides are not equal.

[limlim]

nlimm:

Lyddon:

[quote=\"puff\"]
My view is:
Alumni is directly link to the school ( like your own children)
Under 2b u must be first link clan / church n church/ clan is link to sch ( is like distance relative)
Under 2b PV . U r not related but choose to help out ( is like adopted child)
Under 2c . <1km ( just like next door neighbour)

About alumni who stay more than 2 km fr sch ( is like your kids who married oversea although cannot visit you often but still deserve your love like the other sibling)

Dun flame me :siam: :siam: :siam:

Brillantly illustrated.
:goodpost: :goodpost:

Beautiful illustration:)[/quote]yeah.. The more I read it, the more I like it..

It is indisputable that the \"connection\" is there and REAL.. like children.. and alma mater.. as pointed out by puff.

But the issue we're discussing now is.. distance OR \"connection\"....

We're not discussing whether there is \"connection\" or not, but whether connection warrants a priority over other merits (like shorter distance for the welfare of kids.)..

Say, a company. If it is private limited (Like private school), we have no say if the Boss decides to pass the seats to his offspring..

But, if it is listed company (Like Govt School).. Can the retired management team simply pass the vacancies to his offsprings based on \"Connection\" ONLY, or have the successor be evaluated base on other factors?