S'poreans to get priority for P1 places during balloting

[jedamum]

ACS choice is a no brainer cos of affiliation too.

NYPS have no affiliation to sec schs for boys.

[absolut_vodka]

true but from the wife’s point of view (and all her galfrens too), NYPS is a better choice coz more likely to get better results.

[verykiasu2010]

absolut_vodka:

true but from the wife's point of view (and all her galfrens too), NYPS is a better choice coz more likely to get better results.

nothing is absolute

to most parents, as long as the results are reasonable, it is okay

main reason why ACS is popular is because they are (or many of them) members of Methodist Church, and they prefer the Methodist tradition....I guess many people don't like to verbalise this point

[absolut_vodka]

well, my fren and her hb are catholics so not applicable in this case.


i select the school based on the average results of the cohort instead of looking at one or two top students (who may be very brilliant/hardworking to begin with and that would have nothing to do with the school) so the current information available is quite useless to me. I would prefer the schools to be more open about how many passes vs how many quality passes in each given cohort instead of just trumpeting one or two (or a few) top students. I'm sure that is information that they have available.

verykiasu2010:

absolut_vodka:

true but from the wife's point of view (and all her galfrens too), NYPS is a better choice coz more likely to get better results.

nothing is absolute

to most parents, as long as the results are reasonable, it is okay

main reason why ACS is popular is because they are (or many of them) members of Methodist Church, and they prefer the Methodist tradition....I guess many people don't like to verbalise this point

[Funz]

DH was lamenting about this not being implemented last year. Told him no diff lah for us. No schools within 1km. Reputable schools all oversubscribed by over 20% in phase 2C for within 1km. If we look at it objectively, PR registering in P1 make up a rather small %. Add to that, there are those who have siblings in the school already so they get in at phase 1. So truth is the bigger competition comes from our own compatriots.


While I applaud the move to put Singaporeans 1st, I think parents need to temper their expectations too. This new ruling does not improve your chances that much. In fact, I think it may just worsen it for most popular schools. Those who originally thought chances are way too slim will think that there is a bigger chance and join in the race thus resulting in the number of registrants going up.

Just my thoughts.

[verykiasu2010]

Funz:

DH was lamenting about this not being implemented last year. Told him no diff lah for us. No schools within 1km. Reputable schools all oversubscribed by over 20% in phase 2C for within 1km. If we look at it objectively, PR registering in P1 make up a rather small %. Add to that, there are those who have siblings in the school already so they get in at phase 1. So truth is the bigger competition comes from our own compatriots.


While I applaud the move to put Singaporeans 1st, I think parents need to temper their expectations too. This new ruling does not improve your chances that much. In fact, I think it may just worsen it for most popular schools. Those who originally thought chances are way too slim will think that there is a bigger chance and join in the race thus resulting in the number of registrants going up.

Just my thoughts.

think so too

[limlim]

verykiasu2010:

blessed777:

[quote=\"LOLMum\"]we are not just talking about pr from china, we also have many malaysians and indonesians who are pr too. doubt many of them would convert to citizenship just becasue of school.

pr from china would convert to citizen, as they hv nothing to lose, they can hv dual citizenship dont they. As fr pr from neighbouring countries they wd rather send their children else where such as aussie or relocate there if possible.

who tells you PRC allows dual citizenship ? Don't talk rubbish[/quote]PRC don't, but SG does, before the child turns 21yo.

Apply PRC citizenship first, then apply Sg citizen.. ta-da.... dual citizenship.. :evil: :evil:

There are reports on this in the newspaper. PRC scholars holding dual PRC and SG citizenship.

But that fellow have to choose one when she turns 21yo.

[friendship]

last year that PRC girl who got President Scholarship, she is a PR? her parents are PR or SC conversion?

[verykiasu2010]

limlim:

PRC don't, but SG does, before the child turns 21yo.

Apply PRC citizenship first, then apply Sg citizen.. ta-da.... dual citizenship.. :evil: :evil:

There are reports on this in the newspaper. PRC scholars holding dual PRC and SG citizenship.

But that fellow have to choose one when she turns 21yo.

so there is absolutely no dual citizenship

upon reaching adult decision making age (some countries 18, some 21), the individual has to make a choice, choose one or the other. No two way about it. it is a temporary provision until the person has reached decision-making age

to claim that there is a dual citizenship (without qualifying it) is trying to mislead and inflame.

it is very well known singapore does not permit dual citizenship. it cannot be a unilateral thing that other countries allow SG citizenship while holding their own citizenship

Singapore citizenship rule makes it very clear that the SG citizenship will have to be renounced or revoked if the person is holding another citizenship

[JoetheSC]

snaw:

I'm a PR, with a daughter about to enter school next year. I think this change is pretty major, and will have an impact on PR's in Singapore and how they feel about being here.


<joetheSC>In case Mr Snaw has not realised, this (and recent as well as upcoming policies) where formulated after much deliberation, to have the maximum impact on non-SCs. If you are still wondering why that is the case, you may want to be \"a little bit more concerned\" with the recent developments esp. within the political scene, in Singapore. Its about time you did so, by the way, seeing how you have been here long enough to have acquired your (misguided) sense of entitlement.

I could easily send her to an international school, but I'd choose not to for several reasons - the primary one being I want my kids to integrate as much as possible, and I feel international schools have a tendency to produce kids who can be a little arrogant and 'entitled'. It's a common debate among expats, and there are always a significant minority who feel the same way I do.

<joetheSC>To this I say, please feel free to do so ie. send your daugther to international schools charging exhorbitant fees instead of your noble goal of \"intergration\". I am surprised that your decision has nothing to do with costs since most MNCs nowadays have been offering/converting previously lucrative (and obviously unsustainable) expat packages to \"local package\" for those here on long-term assignments.

I'll never go SC, why would I want to? I've no desire to give up my UK passport, and my wife would never give up her Aussie passport. If Singapore keeps forcing the issue with moves like this I'll leave, there are plenty of other countries which would value my skills and aren't quite as hostile as Singapore is starting to appear to be to foreign talent.

<joetheSC>Then why do you feel so strongly that you should be entitled to the same benefits (at least where schools are concerned) as SC? Would SCs with PR status get the same previledge in the UK or even Australia as what you already are getting even with this change? I am not too sure what valuable skills/talents you have, but I have no doubt that it can be easily replaced if you leave. On the other hand, outside of Singapore, can you can confidently say that you can find employment, say in the US, Europe given that they have unemployment rates of 10% and above. In Australia, outside of the mining/raw materials sector, the employment scene is terrible. And don't even get me started on the state of \"protectionism\" there. You can of course return to the UK. In any case, I doubt we will miss you very much.

Property will be impacted, those areas with good schools in the past had higher property prices for school reasons, now though there's no point when an SC 10KM away will have priority over you.

<joetheSC>Property prices will definitely be affected. But most SCs will not be complaining since most are owner-occupiers or young adults struggling to own their first property to start a new phase in their lives. The real impact will be on expats/speculators (like yourself?) who will have to liquidate when you (finally) leave Singapore

Schools will be impacted, as mentioned PR's will find it very difficult now to get into good schools. What this will mean for those schools, and the knock on effect on other schools remains to be seen, but clearly it's a game changer. Will some PR's leave because of it, absolutely - education of your kids is an essential part of most peoples lives, and one of the reasons people come to Singapore is because of the reputation of the schools. This move clearly changes that dynamic for PR's.

<joetheSC>Let me remind you that Singapore built its reputation for good schools providing great education from elementary level upwards (in stark contrast to the UK, US or Europe..again time to brush up on current affairs I think) BEFORE the influx of FTs like yourself. In any case, for FTs who leave ONLY because of this change in ruling, I doubt the contributions they can/have been making in other areas anyways. So, I guess its good riddance.

I understand where this move has come from, and the frustrations of SC's losing out to PR's for school places, I'd feel the same way. But as in all thinks in life there are consequences and while I'm not sure we know fully what these will be with this move, I'm certain there will be some fall out in the longer term not just for PR's but for Singapore in it's global reputation for foreign talent given the main reason most of us come here is as much about family as the financials.

<joetheSC>Yupe. Just as you seem to have thought through the consequences before posting your commentary, I am looking forward to the positive long-term outcome of the Singapore government's recent measures.