S'poreans to get priority for P1 places during balloting

[snaw]

JoetheSC:

Daddy

I don't see the need to get personal with rebuttals...

Don't turn this to a SC against PR topic..
:celebrate:

First of all, let me clarify...THIS IS a SC against PR/FT topic.

I can't see how we can not make it so, when this is a discussion on a policy that clearly pits PRs/FTs' entitlements against SCs'.

I am equally offended by Mr Snaw's arrogance and sense of entitlement as those who were offended by my rebuttal, but my rebuttal was not meant to be \"personal\". Instead, it is meant to strongly REMIND the non-SCs in general (esp. those who don't \"Get it\"), that as much as we SCs welcome REAL (F)TALENTs to our motherland, they can NEVER and should NEVER expect to be granted equal entitlements/concessions in areas like primary/basic education and accommodation simply because unlike SCs, PRs/FTs were not born/raised/will raise a family/live/and die HERE. I am sure they would agree that the same holds true in reverse.

In simple unsavoury terms, FTs/PRs are transient migrants whose main focus is to enrich themselves first (as anyone would), in whichever land that offers the best opportunities/returns. All other benefits that the host (country) receives from FTs/PRs' \"contributions\" are incidental rather than primary to their decision to relocate (here). And I would expect that once the factors that were beneficial to PRs/FTs are taken away, they CAN and WILL relocate..as what Mr Snaw so clearly mentioned or even threatened, albeit mis-guidedely.

That is why Mr Snaw threatened \"I'll never go SC, why would I want to?...... If Singapore keeps forcing the issue with moves like this I'll leave\".

The SG government is FINALLY acknowledging that they had neglected its own citizens and the CONSEQUENCES have not been desirable, and hence, it looks like the main agenda going forward (at least until the next GE) is to win back the hearts of SCs...AT THE EXPENSE OF PRs/FTs.

So...get used to it..SCs, PRs and FTs alike

I think I may have missed something, not been keeping up with the thread just logged in and saw this. Why all the hostility?

I talked about arrogance and sense of entitlement as something I didn't want my kids to have by going to international school, so I'd prefer to go local. If that offends you then sorry I'd like my kids to integrate into Singapore society more, not less.

I never stated I should be granted equal entitlement, in fact I said I understand why SC's were frustrated. I never threatened to leave either, I pointed out why people like my wife and I come to Singapore - and it's not just money, I can earn as much or more in many other countries, it's a combination of factors with schooling being one of them.

If that dynamic changes then undoubtedly it impacts foreign talents desire to live in certain places. I probably didn't put that across as well as I could, but I'm not having a go at the decision, as I stated (And you seem to have missed or completely misunderstood) I'm simply saying big decisions like these have consequences.

Reading through this thread and I sense a lot of animosity to foreign workers. If you want people to become SC then I'm not sure hostility is a great base to start from, it's also not my general impression of people I meet here but I'm now starting to wonder if maybe it's what everyone is thinking. It's certainly a theme I'm picking up in the last year or so.

[xiaostar]

MrsSeah:

Most of them would put their kids to a non-popular school nearby their flat. Not all PR are AIMING for our \"GOOD\" school.

This is true. In fact if you go to \"expatsingapore\" and \"singaporeexpats\" forum, you will notice that many expats in those forum prefer to send their kids to neighbourhood schools and not the top schools.

[xiaostar]

snaw:

I talked about arrogance and sense of entitlement as something I didn't want my kids to have by going to international school, so I'd prefer to go local. If that offends you then sorry I'd like my kids to integrate into Singapore society more, not less.

PRs have no problem getting into local schools. The problem only occurs when they want their children to enter the popular schools. If you want your children to integrate with the locals, the less sought after neighbourhood schools will do just fine too.

snaw:

I'm simply saying big decisions like these have consequences.

Yeah, the government knows there are consequences and they have calculated that the \"price\" of these consequences are worth it.

snaw:

Reading through this thread and I sense a lot of animosity to foreign workers.

Well, I guess in this aspect, we're no different from other countries. Animosity towards foreign workers isn't something unique to Singapore isn't it? The americans against the mexicans. The british against the eastern europeans. The australians against asians. The europeans against africans.

[verykiasu2010]

snaw:

JoetheSC:

[quote=\"Daddy D\"]I don't see the need to get personal with rebuttals...

Don't turn this to a SC against PR topic..
:celebrate:

First of all, let me clarify...THIS IS a SC against PR/FT topic.

I can't see how we can not make it so, when this is a discussion on a policy that clearly pits PRs/FTs' entitlements against SCs'.

I am equally offended by Mr Snaw's arrogance and sense of entitlement as those who were offended by my rebuttal, but my rebuttal was not meant to be \"personal\". Instead, it is meant to strongly REMIND the non-SCs in general (esp. those who don't \"Get it\"), that as much as we SCs welcome REAL (F)TALENTs to our motherland, they can NEVER and should NEVER expect to be granted equal entitlements/concessions in areas like primary/basic education and accommodation simply because unlike SCs, PRs/FTs were not born/raised/will raise a family/live/and die HERE. I am sure they would agree that the same holds true in reverse.

In simple unsavoury terms, FTs/PRs are transient migrants whose main focus is to enrich themselves first (as anyone would), in whichever land that offers the best opportunities/returns. All other benefits that the host (country) receives from FTs/PRs' \"contributions\" are incidental rather than primary to their decision to relocate (here). And I would expect that once the factors that were beneficial to PRs/FTs are taken away, they CAN and WILL relocate..as what Mr Snaw so clearly mentioned or even threatened, albeit mis-guidedely.

That is why Mr Snaw threatened \"I'll never go SC, why would I want to?...... If Singapore keeps forcing the issue with moves like this I'll leave\".

The SG government is FINALLY acknowledging that they had neglected its own citizens and the CONSEQUENCES have not been desirable, and hence, it looks like the main agenda going forward (at least until the next GE) is to win back the hearts of SCs...AT THE EXPENSE OF PRs/FTs.

So...get used to it..SCs, PRs and FTs alike

I think I may have missed something, not been keeping up with the thread just logged in and saw this. Why all the hostility?

I talked about arrogance and sense of entitlement as something I didn't want my kids to have by going to international school, so I'd prefer to go local. If that offends you then sorry I'd like my kids to integrate into Singapore society more, not less.

I never stated I should be granted equal entitlement, in fact I said I understand why SC's were frustrated. I never threatened to leave either, I pointed out why people like my wife and I come to Singapore - and it's not just money, I can earn as much or more in many other countries, it's a combination of factors with schooling being one of them.

If that dynamic changes then undoubtedly it impacts foreign talents desire to live in certain places. I probably didn't put that across as well as I could, but I'm not having a go at the decision, as I stated (And you seem to have missed or completely misunderstood) I'm simply saying big decisions like these have consequences.

Reading through this thread and I sense a lot of animosity to foreign workers. If you want people to become SC then I'm not sure hostility is a great base to start from, it's also not my general impression of people I meet here but I'm now starting to wonder if maybe it's what everyone is thinking. It's certainly a theme I'm picking up in the last year or so.[/quote]anonymous ranting and showing anti-foreigner writings is a sure way to fire up support in a hot button issue like education. it is also reflective of .......(better not say .... :siam: :siam: )

just like years ago when they did not realise the unintended consequential reality of Maersk Line leaving PSA ...... lol, and chill, every body

[blessed777]

:peekaboo: oops.. the topic change oredy :siam:

[Daddy D]

We'll just see how this play out during P1 registration...

SC against SC?
And we'll be back to square 1 about what is fair...
:celebrate:

[blessed777]

Daddy

We'll just see how this play out during P1 registration...

SC against SC?
And we'll be back to square 1 about what is fair...
:celebrate:

Just see the alumni thread jk

[xiaostar]

Daddy

And we'll be back to square 1 about what is fair...

nothing is fair in this world one lar...
:imsorry:

[limlim]

verykiasu2010:

just like years ago when they did not realise the unintended consequential reality of Maersk Line leaving PSA ...... lol, and chill, every body

Aww.. what happened? someone chase away maersk?

[KSP]

gov msg is clear - ALL Good Schools are for SC ONLY.

gov msg to PR - IF u want to send you child to Good Schools convert to SC.
For all the Good Schools, nothing has changed. All vacancies will still be taken by P2C but now ALL by SC parents....... maybe more KS ones ...