MOE Relooking P1 registration - Too much priority to alumni
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but a system that weights heavily on heredity and connections just seems so wrongβ¦[/quote]
Agree that this is not the perfect system but will it be so right if the system weighs on the amount of $$ you have in your bank account???
At least for now if you are an alumnus of Nanyang you still have a chance to send your child there even if you live in a small 3 rm hdb at CCK !.. -
Alumni is prioritized before grassroots/PV without any cap.
In future, there may be a situation (e.g. dragon year applicants) where the alumni takes up ALL the remaining spaces in a popular school. There will not be any spaces allocated for anyone else, regardless whether you are SC, PV, grassroots, or stay within 1km!
This intake will be siblings and alumni. Period.
Bring the grassroots/PV argument in ONLY after we have imposed an alumni CAP. We should continue to focus on old boys/girls until MOE has done something about this....janet_lee88:
The issue should not be focused on old boys/girls anymore.
As of this year's P1 registration, Phase 2C will have another class of just 30 SCs once occupied by SC & PRs. New policy is with immediate effect, so much so that PRs do not have time to figure out what step to take next.
If there is any more unhappiness, perhaps look at grassroots. What does that group have to do with children's education ? -
And when you are NOT an alumnus of any popular primary school (which is the majority of SC), you can forget about aspiring for your children?
With a cap on Alumni admissions, I may still move from my 3-rm CCK flat to a 3rm Farrer Road HDB and sign up as a PV/GRL give my children a decent shot in getting in.
With alumni taking up the majority of the spaces left, I stand little chance...castanst:
Agree that this is not the perfect system but will it be so right if the system weighs on the amount of $$ you have in your bank account????
At least for now if you are an alumnus of Nanyang you still have a chance to send your child there even if you live in a small 3 rm hdb at CCK !.. -
Provided you first have the means to upgrade to farrer road 3rm flat.
wayne lai:
And when you are NOT an alumnus of any popular primary school (which is the majority of SC), you can forget about aspiring for your children?
With a cap on Alumni admissions, I may still move from my 3-rm CCK flat to a 3rm Farrer Road HDB and sign up as a PV/GRL give my children a decent shot in getting in.
With alumni taking up the majority of the spaces left, I stand little chance...castanst:
Agree that this is not the perfect system but will it be so right if the system weighs on the amount of $$ you have in your bank account????
At least for now if you are an alumnus of Nanyang you still have a chance to send your child there even if you live in a small 3 rm hdb at CCK !.. -
absolut_vodka:
[/quote]Agree.. ! check out the price difference btween a 3 rm hdb in CCK and farrer Rd !!Provided you first have the means to upgrade to farrer road 3rm flat.
wayne lai:
And when you are NOT an alumnus of any popular primary school (which is the majority of SC), you can forget about aspiring for your children?
With a cap on Alumni admissions, I may still move from my 3-rm CCK flat to a 3rm Farrer Road HDB and sign up as a PV/GRL give my children a decent shot in getting in.
With alumni taking up the majority of the spaces left, I stand little chance...
[quote=\"castanst\"]Agree that this is not the perfect system but will it be so right if the system weighs on the amount of $$ you have in your bank account????
At least for now if you are an alumnus of Nanyang you still have a chance to send your child there even if you live in a small 3 rm hdb at CCK !..
isnt it sad?? if the whole system is about $$$$$.. -
That's where you're wrong.. for distance priority, the kid is given a place bcoz it is better welfare for that kid in this school compared to another kid who stay far away from this school, NOT bcoz the parent can afford to buy a flat there. Whether it is a result of the parent being rich is not a consideration. Plus, in reality, there is many average households in HDB staying near branded schools.
Note: The CHILD stays near the school. That is the consideration. Not bcoz the parents stays near the sch, althou it is inevitable that the parent's address is used assuming the parent stays with the kid. But the focus here is, the CHILD.
For your case (alumni),
The parent studied, and contributed. Contributed, and gained from the sch, the learning, the teachings etc.. and graduated.
It is the parent who contributed, NOT the child. And the parents who studied there already gained from the school. Now want to pass the benefit to the kid who NEVER contributed ANYTHING.. yet..absolut_vodka:
Hmm... How is it irrelevant? You want to talk about equality here mah - how is it equal treatment to accord those living next to the school a place simply because the parents can afford to move next to the door? Like I said, if u were already staying there and the school moved in, it is a different story. But if you move there because you want your children to study in the school and given the current high property prices, those in the lower income families are still disadvantaged isn't it?
I am coming from an alumni point of view - I contributed to the school when I was studying there. I represented the school in various competitions, helped raised funds every year (both for the school and organizations related to the school) and my batch of students help bring the school back into top 10 ranking island wide with our results (thus contributing to its popularity today). So why shouldnt I be accord this privilege? -
Nebbermind:
that's a valid point for consideration.....
But if u take away the above, u will somehow also take away the school spirit...and eventually the school will become very ordinary.limlim:
but a system that weights heavily on heredity and connections just seems so wrong....
Alot of time, the alumni reinforce and ensure the school spirit is carried forward...we see how some schools continue to be strong not only in studies but also in sports such as in athletics, rugby, swimming, soccer....generation after generation despite student, coach, teachers, principal coming and going...
juz my 2c
for this.. the alumni will have to be active member right.. clearly this benefits the school and the child.. then the focus will shift to \"active alumni\"..... -
εδΊΊη§ζ οΌεδΊΊδΉε. If you need translation, it means u grew the tree and the future generations enjoy the shade.
Ur child stays there because u worked hard and earned the money to afford a property there. So as far as I can see, it's the same..
Yes, I agree that there are average families living near good schools but the numbers vary depending on the schools and dont tell me you dont know that property prices are higher in these estates because of these schools?limlim:
That's where you're wrong.. for distance priority, the kid is given a place bcoz it is better welfare for that kid in this school compared to another kid who stay far away from this school, NOT bcoz the parent can afford to buy a flat there. Whether it is a result of the parent being rich is not a consideration. Plus, in reality, there is many average households in HDB staying near branded schools.
Note: The CHILD stays near the school. That is the consideration. Not bcoz the parents stays near the sch, althou it is inevitable that the parent's address is used assuming the parent stays with the kid. But the focus here is, the CHILD.
For your case (alumni),
The parent studied, and contributed. Contributed, and gained from the sch, the learning, the teachings etc.. and graduated.
It is the parent who contributed, NOT the child. And the parents who studied there already gained from the school. Now want to pass the benefit to the kid who NEVER contributed ANYTHING.. yet..absolut_vodka:
Hmm... How is it irrelevant? You want to talk about equality here mah - how is it equal treatment to accord those living next to the school a place simply because the parents can afford to move next to the door? Like I said, if u were already staying there and the school moved in, it is a different story. But if you move there because you want your children to study in the school and given the current high property prices, those in the lower income families are still disadvantaged isn't it?
I am coming from an alumni point of view - I contributed to the school when I was studying there. I represented the school in various competitions, helped raised funds every year (both for the school and organizations related to the school) and my batch of students help bring the school back into top 10 ranking island wide with our results (thus contributing to its popularity today). So why shouldnt I be accord this privilege? -
Let's not detract from the issue of ANY alumnus getting an unlimited direct entry to the school.
The argument here is not about an underdog poor alumnus getting an upper hand over the rich non-alumnus. The reverse can also occur: i.e. an alumnus staying in Sentosa cove getting into NYPS, and edging out a non-alumnus ALREADY living in a 3-rm Farrer HDB for the last 20 years.
It is about the alumnus (rich and poor) being prioritized over the non-alumnus (both rich and poor). The opportunity for entry is unequal and without limits, and that is my grouse.
Continue to give priority to alumnus for those who feel strongly about it, but do impose a limit on the numbers. When there is an over-subscription, prioritize them based on some criteria (activity in school, distance, etc).castanst:
Agree.. ! check out the price difference btween a 3 rm hdb in CCK and farrer Rd !!absolut_vodka:
Provided you first have the means to upgrade to farrer road 3rm flat.
[quote=\"wayne lai\"]And when you are NOT an alumnus of any popular primary school (which is the majority of SC), you can forget about aspiring for your children?
With a cap on Alumni admissions, I may still move from my 3-rm CCK flat to a 3rm Farrer Road HDB and sign up as a PV/GRL give my children a decent shot in getting in.
With alumni taking up the majority of the spaces left, I stand little chance...
isnt it sad?? if the whole system is about $$$$$..[/quote] -
castanst:
err.. the amt of $$ has never been a direct factor.. isn't it? Althou it can affect the consequences indirectly..
Agree that this is not the perfect system but will it be so right if the system weighs on the amount of $$ you have in your bank account????
Just like.. how the parents end up studying there is not a consideration, isn't it?
The consideration here is, the kid is staying near the school.
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The parent is already an alumni.
Well.. the concern that, families with less $$ will be disadvantaged is valid, in some way.. fair enough.. but, there are also poor families who live near the popular schools right..
I guess we cannot assume that pple will start selling the flats because it is near popular schools.. if they sell, they need to buy, and is it really worth for them to shift even if the price is slightly above market rate..? That would be subjective.... But while they're staying there.. we shdn't deprive them a place in the sch next door bcoz it is taken by someone else who stays far away.. right..?
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