S'poreans to get priority for P1 places during balloting
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With 2C being the hottest contested phase, MOE feel that the new ruling (immediate effect) will make SCs happy, but will definitely make PRs unhappy bcos they are at a loss as it is too sudden. Perhaps some leeway should be given to PRs who are doing PVs.
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Actually , sometimes i feel that it is not that sc are not interested in the jobs, but because nowadays a lot of recruitment (esp IT types of job) are outsourced to recruitment agency , and the recruitment agency, instead of try harder to recruir localky, just recruit from foreign country , perhaps due to the fact that they already set up connection with foreign agency, or may be they earn more commission that way.
verykiasu2010:
I am going to quote you some real life examples. Don't slam me.
A company that has revenue of nearly S$ a billion and more than 10,000 workers globally and in SG alone has about 4,000 workers
They employ engineers, IT, accountants, admin staff, etc and were in Jurong, operating 24/7, churning out precision engineering products for global brand name customers. The company is not Singaporean owned, the major shareholders are PRs, have been here for decades, their children study overseas in Oxbridge and Ivy league unis, paid by the parents. The children are not PRs. The company also has operations in their home country.
Now, why their employ foreign engineers ? because not enough local graduates and hardly any NUS / NTU engineers specialise in mechatronics. Poly and ITE trainees also not enough. They offer scholarship -- no takers. No choice, got customers, so have to go China universities to recruit engineers to Singapore, train them, apply PR for them (so that they don't get poached by competitors). Whose fault ? NUS & NTU. But the uni say nobody want to do those courses, hence they don't specialise in those area.....so they blame singaporeans for not wanting to study engineering in those areas. Tell you this : salary range is from S$4k to 10k, per month, for the experienced one, of course $10k is those holding management position.
Why they employ foreign IT staff ? The company runs SAP. Get a local / ST related firm to implement the system - set you back a few million $$ in consulting fees. Get the China team - less than half the cost, work faster, don't have fixed old way of unproductive way of doing things. Willing to do things unconventional way and think out of the box to solve implementation problems.
Why they employ foreign accountants ? Because Singaporean accountants / FC / accounts executives -- don't want to work in Jurong. I know, many of you say give me that pay I will work....but, truth be told, 90% of applicants are foreigners and even after signing Singaporeans on the employment letters, they don't even call you when they don't turn up on start date because they got another offer - lesser pay, but work in Shenton Way, more glam, more civilised, \"closer\" to entertainment centres, immediately after 5:30pm they are at the pub; while working in Jurong, after taking factory bus to MRT station, take the train to town will be 7pm, or even if they drive, it takes 30 min to 45 minutes to get to town in the evening peak hour. Heck, tell the HR, just hire those foreigners - lower pay (might as well), don't mind Jurong, and jobs get done. It is not about pay. No matter how high the pay is being raised in Jurong, Shenton Way will be higher to attract them over. It is a fact. there is pay differential between downtown and Jurong. but gov't does not allow factory to be built in Shenton Way leh, and JTC is not going to rent out factory in Shenton Way at Jurong / Tuas prices. By the way, SIA's accounts are done in China (or india)
Okay, those bankers. How many business / banking graduates they churn out per year from NUS/NTU/SMU ? They do a cross border project finance for US$50 million. They only know Singapore legal framework. they don't know how the China tax rules and foreign exchange rules work, and the money comes from UK for a Singapore company operating in China. complex cross border legal and tax structuring is needed. How many can see the big picture of such transaction ? It is funny how local banks call up their clients to ask for advice .... fine, these are high level stuff. Where are all the A level and diploma holders gone to ? who want to be a bank teller ? counter service staff ? all want to be VP and branch manager or do investment banking or RM....so who fill up those lowly positions ? I know, certain functions in banking has seen an influx of certain nationalities. But this has been :censored: .
yes, every day they are people being retrenched, like wise every day there are also people who found new jobs
every day there are people newly born into this world and there are people who has to say good bye to this world.....
ok, rant enuff....
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Sorry a bit off topic here…
Recently spoke to a South Africa lady. She is a teacher teaching in an international school. She rents a 4rm hdb from a fillipino couple.(PRs) Guess where they are now?
Enoying life in Philippines…I think they can live like king and queen from the rental proceeds. -
I think our society is \"sick\", anyone above 40 is considered old, esp for people in the IT/engineering line. Just read todays ST , maid above 35 is considered old and less employers want to hire them.
I still remembered the shock i had when i received the \"elder shield\" letter from the govt when i reached the \"riped old age\" of 40. Here i was, feeling young and energetic, and feeling that i was at the peak of my life, more experience, can handle and solve job related issues better, then i was already considered \"elderly\" !!!
My friend who relocated to US , she could find a job that is a different line easily in US after getting some qualification even thou above 40 years old, over here, 'tang gu gu' lah, can only go clear tables at hawker centres. even if you have master, so what, not valued at all.
Most employers just find the easy way out, recruit younger foreigners (
(talent or not i dont know lah) , since the govt made it so easy for them.Karl12:
Sorry, please don't attack me, I am just giving a little opinion...
I always hear from govt that if we don't have foreign talent, our economy will suffer. But I always think to myself, why must we have foreign talent then our economy will not suffer? I am not taking abt the waiter or the construction worker or the cleaner etc, the jobs that sporean don't wan to do.
I am referring to jobs like IT, Engineering, banking, accountancy, administrative etc, all the executive jobs which we ourself dying to do. But yet foreign talent are engage to do and according to govt, our country need them... Sounds abt illogical to me since we ourselves also wanna do... I know our asking pay is more than them. But it's becoz our standard leaving here is high. It's not like I work 2 yrs already I can go bac to build house, buy land etc.
I can't since I am a sporean so naturally my expected pay is high. The things here are getting expensive. Flats, cars, food, education. So if I don't expect a high pay how to survive.
Sorry for the grudges as recently my job is being replace by a Foreigner from thailand and i know i may be terminated anytime despite working free OT everyday. She told me she is applying PR now. Her pay is abt 1k lower than me but coz she is foreigner company no need to pay cpf for her.
And my best friend also got retrench by her bank last wk. 100+ of them and she told me her jobs will be covered by PR too, newly converted PR. Not those PR who has been here for decades. To me, PR who has been here for decades is already one of us, especially those from msians. Somehow i don't really feel that they are outsiders.
Haiz... I dunno am I and my best frn the only unlucky people in Singapore or this is common and we just have to accept this fate. Somemore heard that out there alot of companies retrenching, so I can only wait to be terminated, and hopefully get some retrenchment benefits. Then be a stay home mum.
To me if these PR or foreigners are really good in a particular field, or technology and certain skill which our people don't have,then by all means they are welcome coz we need those special skills. Or foreign company are here to set up companies and they need to bring in their own pp, to me, it's also fine. It's common to see jap companies employing their own Japan pp to be mgt staffs.
But if its a local company and they get foreigners to do the same thing as us, and it's not as if they can do faster or more efficient than us. It's still the same. Then why are they favored over us?? Anyway, govt is still granting work permit like no one business. If they don't control, I really worry....
Thanks for reading my grudges.
Hope I didn't use any offensive words coz I really don't wish to be suddenly attack for using wrong words. I know there is alot of PR in this thread but I hope you can understand how I feel. -
znzyzyzx:
No, they have an in house HR team more than 30 people, managing recruitment and company club house and also process bookings of company owned holiday bungalows overseas -- all employees can apply to use for free for 4 days a yearActually , sometimes i feel that it is not that sc are not interested in the jobs, but because nowadays a lot of recruitment (esp IT types of job) are outsourced to recruitment agency , and the recruitment agency, instead of try harder to recruir localky, just recruit from foreign country , perhaps due to the fact that they already set up connection with foreign agency, or may be they earn more commission that way.
verykiasu2010:
I am going to quote you some real life examples. Don't slam me.
A company that has revenue of nearly S$ a billion and more than 10,000 workers globally and in SG alone has about 4,000 workers
They employ engineers, IT, accountants, admin staff, etc and were in Jurong, operating 24/7, churning out precision engineering products for global brand name customers. The company is not Singaporean owned, the major shareholders are PRs, have been here for decades, their children study overseas in Oxbridge and Ivy league unis, paid by the parents. The children are not PRs. The company also has operations in their home country.
Now, why their employ foreign engineers ? because not enough local graduates and hardly any NUS / NTU engineers specialise in mechatronics. Poly and ITE trainees also not enough. They offer scholarship -- no takers. No choice, got customers, so have to go China universities to recruit engineers to Singapore, train them, apply PR for them (so that they don't get poached by competitors). Whose fault ? NUS & NTU. But the uni say nobody want to do those courses, hence they don't specialise in those area.....so they blame singaporeans for not wanting to study engineering in those areas. Tell you this : salary range is from S$4k to 10k, per month, for the experienced one, of course $10k is those holding management position.
Why they employ foreign IT staff ? The company runs SAP. Get a local / ST related firm to implement the system - set you back a few million $$ in consulting fees. Get the China team - less than half the cost, work faster, don't have fixed old way of unproductive way of doing things. Willing to do things unconventional way and think out of the box to solve implementation problems.
Why they employ foreign accountants ? Because Singaporean accountants / FC / accounts executives -- don't want to work in Jurong. I know, many of you say give me that pay I will work....but, truth be told, 90% of applicants are foreigners and even after signing Singaporeans on the employment letters, they don't even call you when they don't turn up on start date because they got another offer - lesser pay, but work in Shenton Way, more glam, more civilised, \"closer\" to entertainment centres, immediately after 5:30pm they are at the pub; while working in Jurong, after taking factory bus to MRT station, take the train to town will be 7pm, or even if they drive, it takes 30 min to 45 minutes to get to town in the evening peak hour. Heck, tell the HR, just hire those foreigners - lower pay (might as well), don't mind Jurong, and jobs get done. It is not about pay. No matter how high the pay is being raised in Jurong, Shenton Way will be higher to attract them over. It is a fact. there is pay differential between downtown and Jurong. but gov't does not allow factory to be built in Shenton Way leh, and JTC is not going to rent out factory in Shenton Way at Jurong / Tuas prices. By the way, SIA's accounts are done in China (or india)
Okay, those bankers. How many business / banking graduates they churn out per year from NUS/NTU/SMU ? They do a cross border project finance for US$50 million. They only know Singapore legal framework. they don't know how the China tax rules and foreign exchange rules work, and the money comes from UK for a Singapore company operating in China. complex cross border legal and tax structuring is needed. How many can see the big picture of such transaction ? It is funny how local banks call up their clients to ask for advice .... fine, these are high level stuff. Where are all the A level and diploma holders gone to ? who want to be a bank teller ? counter service staff ? all want to be VP and branch manager or do investment banking or RM....so who fill up those lowly positions ? I know, certain functions in banking has seen an influx of certain nationalities. But this has been :censored: .
yes, every day they are people being retrenched, like wise every day there are also people who found new jobs
every day there are people newly born into this world and there are people who has to say good bye to this world.....
ok, rant enuff.... :siam: :siam: -
janet_lee88:
With 2C being the hottest contested phase, MOE feel that the new ruling (immediate effect) will make SCs happy, but will definitely make PRs unhappy bcos they are at a loss as it is too sudden. Perhaps some leeway should be given to PRs who are doing PVs.
PVs are under Phase 2B. If the schools are responsible, they should have limited the number of PVs to an estimated number of vacancies they expect. That way they would be able to absorb all PVs. So SC or PR PVs would still have gotten their place. -
jtoh:
By right, schools should not take in too many PVs...this way the PVs will get in. All the hours chalked up are precious.janet_lee88:
With 2C being the hottest contested phase, MOE feel that the new ruling (immediate effect) will make SCs happy, but will definitely make PRs unhappy bcos they are at a loss as it is too sudden. Perhaps some leeway should be given to PRs who are doing PVs.
PVs are under Phase 2B. If the schools are responsible, they should have limited the number of PVs to an estimated number of vacancies they expect. That way they would be able to absorb all PVs. So SC or PR PVs would still have gotten their place. -
Thank goodness, some schools have cow sense. No pv means no pv.
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LOLMum:
Thank goodness, some schools have cow sense. No pv means no pv.
:rotflmao: Yah otherwise PV until cows come home still can't get place. -
One school that I am aware of reduced their PV intake by half for next year’s registration - from 30 to 15 PVs.
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