Is GEP really necessary?
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jtoh:
Not very sure when they changed, maybe over the last 5 years or so. The kids in my extended family used to qualify based on either English or Maths, but the recent briefings I went for my own, it was for both.
I suppose this child I know of who has dyslexia and got into GEP must have done very well in both the English and Math selection tests then.2ppaamm:
The worst hit are those K to P4. That's when the GEP tests are done. Unless the children identified gifted were identified in the era prior to the current GEP criteria, it is highly unlikely (in fact not possible) for a dyslexic child to qualify for GEP. Prior to this, GEB used to admit them based on either Math or English only. This has already changed, which I believe is wrong, and compromises our need to nurture those who are gifted in either area, not one who aggregates well.
When did GEB change the admission from EITHER Math or English to BOTH? -
2ppaamm:
Not very sure when they changed, maybe over the last 5 years or so. The kids in my extended family used to qualify based on either English or Maths, but the recent briefings I went for my own, it was for both.[/quote]This child I know of with dyslexia definitely qualified under the BOTH admission criteria then. Interestingly, I was talking with the child's mum yesterday and she reminded me of this other child we both know who also has dyslexia and qualified for GEP.
I suppose this child I know of who has dyslexia and got into GEP must have done very well in both the English and Math selection tests then.jtoh:
[quote=\"2ppaamm\"]
The worst hit are those K to P4. That's when the GEP tests are done. Unless the children identified gifted were identified in the era prior to the current GEP criteria, it is highly unlikely (in fact not possible) for a dyslexic child to qualify for GEP. Prior to this, GEB used to admit them based on either Math or English only. This has already changed, which I believe is wrong, and compromises our need to nurture those who are gifted in either area, not one who aggregates well.
When did GEB change the admission from EITHER Math or English to BOTH? -
jtoh:
Hahaha, the right definition of dyslexia is http://www.gow.org/page.cfm?p=343, the child will have difficulty reading, and how he passed the selection test is a mystery, it is a tall order. My son is not dyslexic, tested >99.9% for linguistic abilities in his age group and found the test hard, and then a child with dyslexia can pass it...unless like my son's case, he was misdiagnosed, which is not surprising at all.
This child I know of with dyslexia definitely qualified under the BOTH admission criteria then. Interestingly, I was talking with the child's mum yesterday and she reminded me of this other child we both know who also has dyslexia and qualified for GEP.
What is Singapore's definition of dyslexia, anyway? My son's friend wanted to go to the international school badly, so they went to the psychologist and got him a diagnosis of asperger's. So his rich family all got very happy when he was diagnosed. In reality, this boy is far from being aspie. My son was so shocked!
So strange, we get people who want to get diagnosed to get exemptions from Chinese, to go to international schools etc etc... And those who are misdiagnosed but do not want to be diagnosed. -
2ppaamm:
Tall order, but nonetheless they did well enough in the tests to get into GEP. Yes, there are families here like your son's friend who would have their child diagnosed with some learning disability (by a psychologist who's willing to stake his reputation on it) so as to get an exemption from Chinese or to get into an international school. Thankfully my friend doesn't fall into that category. She was surprised that her child got into GEP given the learning disability. Her child continues to do well in school now and has blossomed under the GEP programme.
Hahaha, the right definition of dyslexia is http://www.gow.org/page.cfm?p=343, the child will have difficulty reading, and how he passed the selection test is a mystery, it is a tall order. My son is not dyslexic, tested >99.9% for linguistic abilities in his age group and found the test hard, and then a child with dyslexia can pass it...unless like my son's case, he was misdiagnosed, which is not surprising at all.jtoh:
This child I know of with dyslexia definitely qualified under the BOTH admission criteria then. Interestingly, I was talking with the child's mum yesterday and she reminded me of this other child we both know who also has dyslexia and qualified for GEP.
What is Singapore's definition of dyslexia, anyway? My son's friend wanted to go to the international school badly, so they went to the psychologist and got him a diagnosis of asperger's. So his rich family all got very happy when he was diagnosed. In reality, this boy is far from being aspie. My son was so shocked!
So strange, we get people who want to get diagnosed to get exemptions from Chinese, to go to international schools etc etc... And those who are misdiagnosed but do not want to be diagnosed. -
I know for sure that the selection is probably not so weighted on math...coz I know of band2 kid who got selected. Maybe after the test, they shortlist and group them into different skillset/strength and then randomly pick from each box!! :yikes:
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[quote]My son told me the verbal test could be more difficult, and according to the GEB and the psychological tests, he is more gifted in language than math. So, I am pretty sure the language tests are not easy at all, I think there is some selection criteria that are not revealed, or perhaps some kind of quota for each gender.
[/quote]Wow! The glass ceiling starts from Pri3!
As for the dyslexic kids getting through, they may have overcome their dyslexia or learnt to cope with their issues using their other strengths. There are good phonics and spelling programs and rules that do help dyslexic children to read and write correctly. -
Hello, have been hibernating for awhile and now that I am back. I was just reading this Aristocare thread mail with interest and this NickleBee Tutor caught my attention about tuition preparatory for kids to enter GEP -
I personally never did have tuition (apart from Chinese tuition which I thoroughly hated). The reason why my mother didn’t see the need for any other tuition was because she felt that her canes were effective enough to ensure continued compliance with her demands for excellent results.
As a matter of thought, I recollected my childhood when my Mum would demonstrate the cane to exert the importance of study. It has worked effectively for me. I did not have any tuition at all and yet, I made my way thru and graduated with 2nd Class Honors about 20 yrs back. Now that my DD is in P4 GEP, occasionally I will cane if needed ( Not hard but firm ) to address the careless mistakes she has repeatedly done. It also works well in her too. She would tell me that it is a waking call for her. -
GiftedGem:
Now that my DD is in P4 GEP, occasionally I will cane if needed ( Not hard but firm ) to address the careless mistakes she has repeatedly done. It also works well in her too. She would tell me that it is a waking call for her.
Haha in my time, we just suanned each other (similar abilities) outright, no mercy given for low scorers. Or make friendly bets on who scores better, loser has to do some forfeit. Works well, because people want face in winning these bragging rights!
Sadly, this doesn't work outside of GEP, because everyone will misunderstand and say you are an arrogant elitist. But I find that this competitive spirit works better than any physical punishment. Nothing else causes someone to study hard to beat others like a good \"haha yes! I own you, you suck\" to the face. No point comparing to people worse off though, always compete with people who are better. -
kids who are gifted, their class size is small - 20-25pax a class. Those kids who are not gifted, their class size is big - 40pax a class. What logic is this? Shouldn't the small class for non-gifted because they need more helps than those gifted? :?
Since you are gifted, you need less help and you can figure out on your own! if you still need help, how to say you are gifted? the most is just higher ability!
Shouldn't MOE help those kids who are struggle? Gifted and high ability kids can take care on their own! If their cognitive level is higher than normal kids, then let them progress to a higher level so that they won't be bored to death in the class. -
ForumWriter:
:yikes: Did you proof-read what you have written? You are an ex-GEPper?
Haha in my time, we just suanned each other (similar abilities) outright, no mercy given for low scorers. Or make friendly bets on who scores better, loser has to do some forfeit. Works well, because people want face in winning these bragging rights!
Sadly, this doesn't work outside of GEP, because everyone will misunderstand and say you are an arrogant elitist. But I find that this competitive spirit works better than any physical punishment. Nothing else causes someone to study hard to beat others like a good \"haha yes! I own you, you suck\" to the face. No point comparing to people worse off though, always compete with people who are better.
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