2009 GEP Screening And Selection
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cluelessmama:
My son - I didn't take what he said about the tests too seriously cos to him, everything also easy and boring. Then results come out, sometimes different story lah :x . He's super careless. But the last 1 year, he's become more competitive, try to check his own work (sometimes!), so I'm quite glad to see him push himself.
Haha. My mine, she's the \"safe n sound\" type - as long as there's one question to be pondered upon, the paper will be labelled as \"difficult\". Most of her friends said tests were easy except my kid.
Which is also why I'm so glad he got selected. At this age, still don't want to go to school at times cos he says school is boring, can learn more by reading at home yada yada. BTW, both my sons like that, so very \"vomit blood\" sometimes. If the programme can occupy him, or wowzers, make him eager to go to school, I tio beh pio (strike lottery) already! -
2centsworthy:
Woo..with this info I think more and more parents would want to send their kids to Rosyth so that they have a better chance to get into gep....How abt other gep schools like ACS, NYGS ...whereby the no. of students getting into gep are quite high..??? :roll:Here's what I was told by my Rosyth friend....
at start of pri 3, they had their own internal screening test... then the kids were asked to go to earlier (... hmmm must be afternoon session for the p3).. for extra on maths and english... can't remember how many days a week... definitely each session was for an hour or so.
One of her acquaintances asked her ... \"do you know where to get Joe Cameron books?\" She thought it was storybooks... later she found out that Rosyth also did IQ paper with the kids. Apparently she went to several bookshops and specialised bookshops just looking for Joe cameron IQ books.... don't know whether it works but looking at the nbr .. probably... also this friend sends child to in-house vendor for the math olympiad training by RECMEL ... went in before p3... don't know how she did it. Both boys are in GEP. Both children were also at Learning Lab for gifted stream EL / Math / Science... in p6 year they were pulled out after Term 1... else Learning Lab will list child's name on the board after PSLE results. My friend was also told that Success Learning Centre, next to Rosyth, also have gifted stream English... and these two boys are still there. They have been there since 2005.
If you have friends in Rosyth, perhaps they can tell you more... -
2centsworthy,
my rosyth friend told me the same thing. selected kids from her kid’s class were singled out to go for training before GEP selection. -
My neighbour girl is in p3 this year at NYPS… she didn’t get in… she asked my son what’s the paper all abt in Round 2… so my son just briefly told her. If NYPS or she sends child for training then why bother to ask, right? ACS - Barker & Junior - don’t think so… have a friend in Junior… the elder boy didn’t get in but the younger boy now in p4 got in. So don’t think ACS train. But I heard from Nan Hua friend that last year batch Nan Hua hired special teacher to give creative writing on weekly basis… teaching them vocabulary… phrases… and do weekly writing. Also the teacher got the kids to buy Terry Chew’s math olympiad books. Last year the children for the first 6 months did specially prepared maths and english worksheets… tons of homework… only for the top 2 classes. 13 got into GEP. this year heard they ask them to buy the Terry Chew book but they did not mark the books or go through in class. Heard ONLY 11 got in. I can only guess that all the work… perhaps did not yield the results… or maybe got the wrong type of worksheets… ha.ha.ha… got to learn from Rosyth eh?
AND another story from a friend from Tao Nan… she said that they heard from Tao Nan parents that those kids who went for Round 2 were asked to remember one question each. after they come out from the rounds, they were asked to tell the teacher the question (nbr pre-assigned) assigned to them. And they compiled it and process. My Rosyth friend also said the same… so… ???
My friend went with a potential customer of DOCTOR PEH ASSOCIATES to check out the place… she said wow… so impressive… Allen Peh apparently showed them several K1 / K2 kids IQ test results… before and after… AND they were there since K1… some only go in at P3 Round 2. He used to charge $2000+ for 10 hrs… My friend asked … any from NYPS (yes) … any from Nan Hua (the answer was no), any from Catholic High (yes… Gabriel Wong… last year top 2 national with score of 285). He did not show them anything else but said that that potential customer has to bring child for assessment. Apparently the potential customer went… given some general ability test… apparently he will accept the child if child has above 90 for maths… and he only trains those he thinks can make it. … maybe also good else parents throw money… the rich ones might blame him and spoil his name. Apparently high numbers got in. My friend said the potential customer said… she did not want to go… well I don’t know whether they went or not … whether successful or not.
Early this year… a friend called me and asked me to help her get her son into GEP… so I told the above story. Her story is kind of sad… her father in law is the one who wants it… apparently he is very rich and is very fed up that none of his grandchildren are in GEP and this youngest grandson HAS to GET INTO GEP! She was sending to DOCTOR PEH… but she did not call me to tell me whether son got in or not… aiyah… what a waste… else I will know how much she pays… whether effective or not… then I will share with all of you. If she calls me… I will share, ya? -
Those of you staying near Rosyth should go to Success Learning centre and find out… I was told many of the GEPers are there for the gifted stream classes… am sure some of them will share.
Many years ago, I was told that NYPS has outside vendor doing some number sense classes for the lower primary… my friend said that it was some form of preparation for GEP. Another friend said that if you send your child to Learning Lab from Pri 1 onwards… English and Math… apparently before the screening (don’t know which round) Learning Lab gives some other worksheets to help these kids to get into GEP. I was also told that almost all of these kids will clear round 1… and a high number clear round 2. Don’t know how true? -
this is getting more and more interesting and exciting ... we are digging hole to the 'centre of the earth' haaaaaaa
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2centsworthy:
hai...after reading all the info I feel kind of sad for those 'real' gifted kids who are not able to squeeze in to the top 1% because of loosing out to those kids that are 'well prepared' for the selection tests..... So after all does this GEP still serve the purpose of catering and nurturing the real gifted kids ????Those of you staying near Rosyth should go to Success Learning centre and find out.... I was told many of the GEPers are there for the gifted stream classes.... am sure some of them will share.
Many years ago, I was told that NYPS has outside vendor doing some number sense classes for the lower primary... my friend said that it was some form of preparation for GEP. Another friend said that if you send your child to Learning Lab from Pri 1 onwards.... English and Math... apparently before the screening (don't know which round) Learning Lab gives some other worksheets to help these kids to get into GEP. I was also told that almost all of these kids will clear round 1... and a high number clear round 2. Don't know how true?
sad for those real gifted kids that can't get into gep and also sad for those kids that are trained for the selection tests but eventually find themselve struggling in gep....
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Hi 2centsworthy,
Thanks for sharing this... This let me think about the debate on gifted whether it is nature or nurture, or both. For those self-claimed GEP training schools... if they did some pre-screening... of course their GEP-graduate percentage will be high as they already know which 'type' of kids to target. I would like to see if they can do-away with such screening and train all kids, and see their success rate in GEP. But ultimately, it is a parent choice whether to send for such training.
I personally against the idea of training specially for GEP... From my observation, those that read a wide genre of books, with strong analytical and cognitive abilities, will have a better chance of surviving 2nd round. I asked my son to quote me a question from 2nd round, and the example he gave is \"name the similarity between punch and a container?\" And guess what the answer is? BOX!
The best gift a parent can give to the kids is build up their interest and thirst in reading, and lots of mind-triggering games... :love:2centsworthy:
My neighbour girl is in p3 this year at NYPS... she didn't get in... she asked my son what's the paper all abt in Round 2... so my son just briefly told her. If NYPS or she sends child for training then why bother to ask, right? ACS - Barker & Junior - don't think so... have a friend in Junior.. the elder boy didn't get in but the younger boy now in p4 got in. So don't think ACS train. But I heard from Nan Hua friend that last year batch Nan Hua hired special teacher to give creative writing on weekly basis... teaching them vocabulary... phrases... and do weekly writing. Also the teacher got the kids to buy Terry Chew's math olympiad books. Last year the children for the first 6 months did specially prepared maths and english worksheets... tons of homework... only for the top 2 classes. 13 got into GEP. this year heard they ask them to buy the Terry Chew book but they did not mark the books or go through in class. Heard ONLY 11 got in. I can only guess that all the work... perhaps did not yield the results... or maybe got the wrong type of worksheets... ha.ha.ha... got to learn from Rosyth eh?
AND another story from a friend from Tao Nan.... she said that they heard from Tao Nan parents that those kids who went for Round 2 were asked to remember one question each. after they come out from the rounds, they were asked to tell the teacher the question (nbr pre-assigned) assigned to them. And they compiled it and process. My Rosyth friend also said the same... so... ?????
My friend went with a potential customer of DOCTOR PEH ASSOCIATES to check out the place.... she said wow.. so impressive... Allen Peh apparently showed them several K1 / K2 kids IQ test results... before and after.... AND they were there since K1... some only go in at P3 Round 2. He used to charge $2000+ for 10 hrs... My friend asked ... any from NYPS (yes) ... any from Nan Hua (the answer was no), any from Catholic High (yes... Gabriel Wong.. last year top 2 national with score of 285). He did not show them anything else but said that that potential customer has to bring child for assessment. Apparently the potential customer went... given some general ability test.. apparently he will accept the child if child has above 90 for maths... and he only trains those he thinks can make it. ... maybe also good else parents throw money... the rich ones might blame him and spoil his name. Apparently high numbers got in. My friend said the potential customer said.... she did not want to go... well I don't know whether they went or not ... whether successful or not.
Early this year... a friend called me and asked me to help her get her son into GEP... so I told the above story. Her story is kind of sad... her father in law is the one who wants it... apparently he is very rich and is very fed up that none of his grandchildren are in GEP and this youngest grandson HAS to GET INTO GEP! She was sending to DOCTOR PEH... but she did not call me to tell me whether son got in or not... aiyah... what a waste... else I will know how much she pays... whether effective or not... then I will share with all of you. If she calls me... I will share, ya? -
we should be proud as our kids manage to go through eventhough without 'preparation' work...
vlim:
hai...after reading all the info I feel kind of sad for those 'real' gifted kids who are not able to squeeze in to the top 1% because of loosing out to those kids that are 'well prepared' for the selection tests..... So after all does this GEP still serve the purpose of catering and nurturing the real gifted kids ????2centsworthy:
Those of you staying near Rosyth should go to Success Learning centre and find out.... I was told many of the GEPers are there for the gifted stream classes.... am sure some of them will share.
Many years ago, I was told that NYPS has outside vendor doing some number sense classes for the lower primary... my friend said that it was some form of preparation for GEP. Another friend said that if you send your child to Learning Lab from Pri 1 onwards.... English and Math... apparently before the screening (don't know which round) Learning Lab gives some other worksheets to help these kids to get into GEP. I was also told that almost all of these kids will clear round 1... and a high number clear round 2. Don't know how true?
sad for those real gifted kids that can't get into gep and also sad for those kids that are trained for the selection tests but eventually find themselve struggling in gep.... -
2centsworthy:
... Early this year... a friend called me and asked me to help her get her son into GEP... so I told the above story. Her story is kind of sad... her father in law is the one who wants it... apparently he is very rich and is very fed up that none of his grandchildren are in GEP and this youngest grandson HAS to GET INTO GEP! She was sending to DOCTOR PEH... but she did not call me to tell me whether son got in or not... aiyah... what a waste... else I will know how much she pays... whether effective or not... then I will share with all of you. If she calls me... I will share, ya?
It is cases like these that reinforce my conviction that GEP has outlived its original intent and should be either removed or revamped to use more subtle selection processes and have measures put in place to curtail the \"elite\" status it projects.
Training for GEP classes - if it works, it only puts to question the effectiveness of MOE's GEP selection process. If it doesn't work, then parents are just taken for a ride. It is a no-win situation for everyone involved.
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