Real reason behind Singapore’s obsession with tuition
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Chenonceau:
my bad, the way this issue being aired here sound as if nothing else is done
I don't understand. They did publish the letters. I also don't understand why you think that emails to relevant people have not been written?verykiasu2010:
why write to Forum pages ? please don't expect them to wash too much dirty linen in public. they have million and one reasons to justify not publishing your letter, and there is a 400 words cap.
document your cases and send it straight to those email list in the earlier post, and please, c.c. to the principal of the school concerned.
if want to act, must make sure they will act too.
obviously the recipients of those emails have not been convinced yet
or you have the documented evidence of 90% ? -
verykiasu2010:
I don't understand. They did publish the letters. I also don't understand why you think that emails to relevant people have not been written?Chenonceau:
[quote=\"verykiasu2010\"]why write to Forum pages ? please don't expect them to wash too much dirty linen in public. they have million and one reasons to justify not publishing your letter, and there is a 400 words cap.
document your cases and send it straight to those email list in the earlier post, and please, c.c. to the principal of the school concerned.
if want to act, must make sure they will act too.
my bad, the way this issue being aired here sound as if nothing else is done
obviously the recipients of those emails have not been convinced yet
or you have the documented evidence of 90% ?[/quote]Ummm... to clarify, I never quoted 90% (though I am not surprised if that were the statistic). What I did do was to propose to MOE a method to capture that data... and make it speak. That way, things would be clear. And mind you... I did that PRIVATELY, POLITELY and with great trust. MOE would have nothing of it. MOE merely wants parents to deal direct with schools.
It's none of MOE's business you see.
So we are back to Square One. If you have direct access to the PM, then please help us. But even then, are you sure PM won't say \"I won't micro-manage my Ministries\"? -
retired people like me have no access to anyone high up dare
on municipal issues I email the MP and things get done within a few weeks, typically you see the MP replying (and c.c. to me) and directing the various departments to look into it and invariably, issues get resolved promptly.
for the education issues we talk about here, my guess i that they are not convinced. you got to strategise how to ensure your data and evidence are convincing proofs and make them uncomfortable not to do anything. -
Jennifer:
Self-study, self exploration is good. The idea is good.. But, can they execute it skillfully?
We are taking away the innate drive for knowledge via self-study, self exploration?
I think it is dangerous to think we can only learn in some institutions, be it govt or private.
If what happens now is, school takes away essential material and end up the student bought it back from private establishments, the system fails.
If the information that was taken away could be bought at a price \"outside\", it would be better if the information is provided in the schools in the first place, that is what I'm trying to say.
Below is an example of what I would regard as quality education..
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANdt8LuPaEg][/youtube]
He didn't teach a lot.. but arouses the curiosity of his students to learn more..
probably a successful example of teach less, learn more.
To really benefit from \"Teach Less, Learn More\", the school must be able to execute skillfully, and not just \"take away\" part of the lesson content from class....... -
verykiasu2010:
Thanks for the advice. The proofs were convincing. I'm not sure how to make people UNCOMFORTABLE, apart from writing in here (which obviously cheeses you off). I would much rather sit down and discuss. Many others aren't sure either how to make people UNCOMFORTABLE apart from writing to the forum pages. If you have any ideas that will help... or any contacts...retired people like me have no access to anyone high up dare
on municipal issues I email the MP and things get done within a few weeks, typically you see the MP replying (and c.c. to me) and directing the various departments to look into it and invariably, issues get resolved promptly.
for the education issues we talk about here, my guess i that they are not convinced. you got to strategise how to ensure your data and evidence are convincing proofs and make them uncomfortable not to do anything.
Seriously, I admire your judgment and intellect... and don't wish to cheese you off, but you cannot take away our stories of pain so I only ask that you understand that there are people in Singapore who are suffering through this system... even if you and yours did not. I am happy that you are a good parent who knew what to do with your kids. I am happy that you have the money to enrich your kids. I am happy that you are happy with the schools your kids went to.
Your happiness does not help my pain... and that of cherryc's... and that of many parents who come by to get coached by me on ways to teach. -
Chenonceau:
agree there are pain, suffering, etc but at most they take these internet forum as ranting
Thanks for the advice. The proofs were convincing. I'm not sure how to make people UNCOMFORTABLE, apart from writing in here (which obviously cheeses you off). I would much rather sit down and discuss. Many others aren't sure either how to make people UNCOMFORTABLE apart from writing to the forum pages. If you have any ideas that will help... or any contacts...verykiasu2010:
retired people like me have no access to anyone high up dare
on municipal issues I email the MP and things get done within a few weeks, typically you see the MP replying (and c.c. to me) and directing the various departments to look into it and invariably, issues get resolved promptly.
for the education issues we talk about here, my guess i that they are not convinced. you got to strategise how to ensure your data and evidence are convincing proofs and make them uncomfortable not to do anything.
Seriously, I admire your judgment and intellect... and don't wish to cheese you off, but you cannot take away our stories of pain so I only ask that you understand that there are people in Singapore who are suffering through this system... even if you and yours did not.
what happen after the meeting with the curriculum people ?
reduce weightage ? :rotflmao:
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"teach less, learn more"
I think most people have taken it too literally; and the implementor also failed miserably -
verykiasu2010:
agree there are pain, suffering, etc but at most they take these internet forum as ranting
Thanks for the advice. The proofs were convincing. I'm not sure how to make people UNCOMFORTABLE, apart from writing in here (which obviously cheeses you off). I would much rather sit down and discuss. Many others aren't sure either how to make people UNCOMFORTABLE apart from writing to the forum pages. If you have any ideas that will help... or any contacts...Chenonceau:
[quote=\"verykiasu2010\"]retired people like me have no access to anyone high up dare
on municipal issues I email the MP and things get done within a few weeks, typically you see the MP replying (and c.c. to me) and directing the various departments to look into it and invariably, issues get resolved promptly.
for the education issues we talk about here, my guess i that they are not convinced. you got to strategise how to ensure your data and evidence are convincing proofs and make them uncomfortable not to do anything.
Seriously, I admire your judgment and intellect... and don't wish to cheese you off, but you cannot take away our stories of pain so I only ask that you understand that there are people in Singapore who are suffering through this system... even if you and yours did not.
what happen after the meeting with the curriculum people ?
reduce weightage ? :rotflmao:[/quote] :snuggles: Oh good... My Grumpy Bear is smiling again. If we have a chance to chat on the phone, I will fill you in. I dun wanna wash too much dirty linen in public. In fact, one would prefer to wash all linen privately... but if that fails... then wash a little bit.
But not all of it.
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a lot of time, we only look at the problem and issue at our local / micro level whereas those who make the decision are looking at bigger / overall picture and they have only a set number of parameters that could be adjusted, and have been adjusting whatever that could be adjusted.
when one parameter is adjusted, it satisfies one group but upset another group
no one adjustment or decision can please everyone. be it corporate management or government. such is nature of politics - when it involves people
we can gripe / complain / criticise / condemn for all we want, but there are always constraints
if we were in their shoes, then we would appreciate the constraints they faced from many fronts in the business of government, not for the lack of will nor money. -
verykiasu2010:
:goodpost: :goodpost: :salute:a lot of time, we only look at the problem and issue at our local / micro level whereas those who make the decision are looking at bigger / overall picture and they have only a set number of parameters that could be adjusted, and have been adjusting whatever that could be adjusted.
when one parameter is adjusted, it satisfies one group but upset another group
no one adjustment or decision can please everyone. be it corporate management or government. such is nature of politics - when it involves people
we can gripe / complain / criticise / condemn for all we want, but there are always constraints
if we were in their shoes, then we would appreciate the constraints they faced from many fronts in the business of government, not for the lack of will nor money.
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