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limlim:
I am not 100% sure on this point, but I was told by my PR friends that if the son gives up his PR status at age 12, then he does not need to serve NS. (But then he has to leave Sg forever; no chance of returning.)
You point being? why 12 and not 18?nansk:
Are you aware that sons of PRs are also required to serve NS? And yet there are lots of parents of sons who:
1. apply for PR
2. continue to live/work in Sg even after their sons turn 12.
That means, they are willing to let their sons serve NS - sons who may not go on to take Sg citizenship.
So, what you are implying is not necessarily true.
If he continues with his PR status beyond the age of 12, then he has to serve NS. Maybe if you search the Mindef/ICA web site you can get the specifics.
My point was, that there are PR parents who choose to let their sons serve NS. -
limlim:
In either case, even if the male child remains as PR, he will have to serve NS.
Yes. The parent is one factor.
And those with kids. After the mother convert, the female kid may convert also, while the male kid may remain as PR. And if the elder kid is a girl and convert, and got into a school of choice, the PR male younger brother will get into the Pri school also.
As for your point of \"school of choice\" why is it bad/wrong if the younger sibling gets into the same school?! :scratchhead: -
nansk:
I didn't say anything about bad or wrong..
In either case, even if the male child remains as PR, he will have to serve NS.limlim:
Yes. The parent is one factor.
And those with kids. After the mother convert, the female kid may convert also, while the male kid may remain as PR. And if the elder kid is a girl and convert, and got into a school of choice, the PR male younger brother will get into the Pri school also.
As for your point of \"school of choice\" why is it bad/wrong if the younger sibling gets into the same school?! :scratchhead:
The point is just that the PR boy is fully capable of depriving another citizen of a place in the Pri Sch. -
If the mother and daughter converts…get priority to school. But to be fair, the son (if there is) should also be a SC to enjoy phase 1.
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limlim:
That is an odd thought. PRs are long-term residents in Sg; 5-10 years at the very least. They work, pay taxes, contribute to keep the economy running. The idea that they are 'depriving' a citizen of anything is narrow-minded and unfair.
The point is just that the PR boy is fully capable of depriving another citizen of a place in the Pri Sch.
In any case, this thread has gone way off-topic. I am not going to participate in this discussion anymore. Whatever your thoughts are on this matter, please keep them to yourself. -
verykiasu2010:
fyi. I know one singaporean family moved to nz many yrs ago when ds n dd in pri sch. Both children r now working adults. The whole family except ds visits sg almost every yr. The father told my parents that his ds will be caught if his ds returns to sg for skipping ns. Even transit in sg is not allowed. Not sure did the family chg their citizenship but am sure his son did.
if the son of the SGP PR is also a PR, this PR son (born in SGP) must come back to SGP to serve NS regardless where he stays. By law. No excuseconcern2:
Does this mean that the son of a parent with a Singapore PR status, even if he is living in other countries (e.g. US), has to come back at the age of 16 to register for NS? -
nansk:
I am just stating a fact. Whether it is to be viewed in good or bad light is up to the reader.
That is an odd thought. PRs are long-term residents in Sg; 5-10 years at the very least. They work, pay taxes, contribute to keep the economy running. The idea that they are 'depriving' a citizen of anything is narrow-minded and unfair.limlim:
The point is just that the PR boy is fully capable of depriving another citizen of a place in the Pri Sch.
In any case, this thread has gone way off-topic. I am not going to participate in this discussion anymore. Whatever your thoughts are on this matter, please keep them to yourself.
Sure, PRs (those not attached to citizen) come where work, pay taxes.. and of coz contribute to the overcrowding in public transports and also compete with citizens for jobs..
Oh well. if you are not interested in a reply, you should not have questioned a remark/post.
And leave it as it is.. -
Steadyberry:
fyi. I know one singaporean family moved to nz many yrs ago when ds n dd in pri sch. Both children r now working adults. The whole family except ds visits sg almost every yr. The father told my parents that his ds will be caught if his ds returns to sg for skipping ns. Even transit in sg is not allowed. Not sure did the family chg their citizenship but am sure his son did.[/quote]his son may not be able to change citizenship because singapore does not allow dual citizenship and he needs to renounce his singapore citizenship before he is allowed to take up another citizenship. his new host country may not bother whether he renounces his singapore citizenship or not, but singapore won't allow. the moment he steps into singapore embassy overseas, he will be told he can't renounce unless and until he serves his ns. at the end, he just remain stateless
if the son of the SGP PR is also a PR, this PR son (born in SGP) must come back to SGP to serve NS regardless where he stays. By law. No excuseverykiasu2010:
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Does this mean that the son of a parent with a Singapore PR status, even if he is living in other countries (e.g. US), has to come back at the age of 16 to register for NS? -
his son may not be able to change citizenship because singapore does not allow dual citizenship and he needs to renounce his singapore citizenship before he is allowed to take up another citizenship. his new host country may not bother whether he renounces his singapore citizenship or not, but singapore won’t allow. the moment he steps into singapore embassy overseas, he will be told he can’t renounce unless and until he serves his ns. at the end, he just remain stateless[/quote]
Do u mean that he cannot renounce his citizenship at the age of 21? -
According to his father as long as his ds stays away fr sg, he is fine. He has settled down in nz, has a job and can stay in nz forever since he has chg his citizenship. Dun think he informed sg embassy formally n the new host country wont bother to chk since nz allows dual citizenship. After so many yrs, his sg passport should hv expired by now n he needs to get his NZ PR transferred to a new passport. Sg embassy won’t issue him a new passport and continue to let him "hide" in nz. So pretty sure he has applied for a nz passport. sg citizen or sg PR, staying in sg or overseas, u will need to serve ns for sure.
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