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[Steadyberry]

According to his father as long as his ds stays away fr sg, he is fine. He has settled down in nz, has a job and can stay in nz forever since he has chg his citizenship. Dun think he informed sg embassy formally n the new host country wont bother to chk since nz allows dual citizenship. After so many yrs, his sg passport should hv expired by now n he needs to get his NZ PR transferred to a new passport. Sg embassy won’t issue him a new passport and continue to let him "hide" in nz. So pretty sure he has applied for a nz passport. sg citizen or sg PR, staying in sg or overseas, u will need to serve ns for sure.

[verykiasu2010]

Steadyberry:

According to his father as long as his ds stays away fr sg, he is fine. He has settled down in nz, has a job and can stay in nz forever since he has chg his citizenship. Dun think he informed sg embassy formally n the new host country wont bother to chk since nz allows dual citizenship. After so many yrs, his sg passport should hv expired by now n he needs to get his NZ PR transferred to a new passport. Sg embassy won't issue him a new passport and continue to let him \"hide\" in nz. So pretty sure he has applied for a nz passport. sg citizen or sg PR, staying in sg or overseas, u will need to serve ns for sure.

He is most likely holding a NZ passport and he can travel round the world but has to avoid landing in SG, in case get caught for defaulting NS.

The same happens with Malaysians in NZ ..... they just keep quite and just use the NZ passport and they can enter M'sia, but they have no NS regulations to catch them

[verykiasu2010]

tigermum:

his son may not be able to change citizenship because singapore does not allow dual citizenship and he needs to renounce his singapore citizenship before he is allowed to take up another citizenship. his new host country may not bother whether he renounces his singapore citizenship or not, but singapore won't allow. the moment he steps into singapore embassy overseas, he will be told he can't renounce unless and until he serves his ns. at the end, he just remain stateless

Do u mean that he cannot renounce his citizenship at the age of 21?[/quote]

if the new host country need to see proof of renunciation of previous citizenship and if he has not served ns, even above age 21, when he goes to any singapore embassy to renounce, he will not be accepted

[corneyAmber]

Hmmm....this is the latest news from the Defence minister clarifying on the PR's sons' NS status, they heard our confusion over this.... :evil:


http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20120701-356519.html

AsiaOne
Sunday, Jul 01, 2012

SINGAPORE - Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen reiterated that sons of permanent residents (PRs) have to complete national service (NS) in order to keep PR status.

Speaking to the Straits Times, Minister Ng said that first-generation PRs are exempted from NS, but have to be aware that their sons have to complete the duty if they apply for PR status for their children.
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\"The basic message to permanent residents is this: If you want to take up permanent residency for your children, please do so recognizing that they have to do NS as a duty and there will be a course if you don't.

\"So, it's better not to take up PR if your children are not going to do NS,\" he said.

Addressing concerns about NS-liable PRs renouncing their residency before serving NS, Dr Ng added that second-generation PRs face harsh penalties if they choose not to fulfill their two years and give up their PR status.

Minister Ng's comments come as an ongoing debate takes place about the need for more punitive measures to make second-generation PRs serve the military stint, including imposing a security bond on their parents, to be forfeited if the sons do not go through NS.

Dr Ng said that current measures in place are already harsher than that.

According to RazorTV, 8,800 male foreigners who became PRs under the sponsorship of their parents over the last five years enlisted in NS.

However, another 4,200 renounced their PR status prior to serving NS.

According to Colonel Kenneth Liow, second-generation PRs' failure to serve NS will be taken into account when they apply to study or work in Singapore in the future, said in a letter to The Straits Times forum.

Minister Ng also said that he received letter letters from families who say they have been separated because NS-liable PRs chose not to complete their duty.

Dr Ng, however, pointed out that Singapore has to enforce the NS policy to send a clear signal that NS duty must be fulfilled, despite the difficulties.

[verykiasu2010]

ksi:

Hmmm....this is the latest news from the Defence minister clarifying on the PR's sons' NS status, they heard our confusion over this.... :evil:


http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20120701-356519.html

AsiaOne
Sunday, Jul 01, 2012

SINGAPORE - Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen reiterated that sons of permanent residents (PRs) have to complete national service (NS) in order to keep PR status.

Speaking to the Straits Times, Minister Ng said that first-generation PRs are exempted from NS, but have to be aware that their sons have to complete the duty if they apply for PR status for their children.
RELATED STORIES

8,800 PRs served NS over the last five years
NS a contentious point between foreign- and local-born citizens
4,200 males gave up Singapore PR status in last 5 years

\"The basic message to permanent residents is this: If you want to take up permanent residency for your children, please do so recognizing that they have to do NS as a duty and there will be a course if you don't.

\"So, it's better not to take up PR if your children are not going to do NS,\" he said.

Addressing concerns about NS-liable PRs renouncing their residency before serving NS, Dr Ng added that second-generation PRs face harsh penalties if they choose not to fulfill their two years and give up their PR status.

Minister Ng's comments come as an ongoing debate takes place about the need for more punitive measures to make second-generation PRs serve the military stint, including imposing a security bond on their parents, to be forfeited if the sons do not go through NS.

Dr Ng said that current measures in place are already harsher than that.

According to RazorTV, 8,800 male foreigners who became PRs under the sponsorship of their parents over the last five years enlisted in NS.

However, another 4,200 renounced their PR status prior to serving NS.

According to Colonel Kenneth Liow, second-generation PRs' failure to serve NS will be taken into account when they apply to study or work in Singapore in the future, said in a letter to The Straits Times forum.

Minister Ng also said that he received letter letters from families who say they have been separated because NS-liable PRs chose not to complete their duty.

Dr Ng, however, pointed out that Singapore has to enforce the NS policy to send a clear signal that NS duty must be fulfilled, despite the difficulties.

it seems like they will not approve their student pass or work permit ..... since you don't want to stay permanently here, why need long term pass to study or work here, right ?

[concern2]

ksi:

Hmmm....this is the latest news from the Defence minister clarifying on the PR's sons' NS status, they heard our confusion over this.... :evil:


http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20120701-356519.html


...Minister Ng also said that he received letter letters from families who say they have been separated because NS-liable PRs chose not to complete their duty.

Thanks for the update, ksi!

I don't quite understand what is meant by the sentence in bold above. :scratchhead:

[limlim]

concern2:

ksi:

Hmmm....this is the latest news from the Defence minister clarifying on the PR's sons' NS status, they heard our confusion over this.... :evil:


http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20120701-356519.html


...Minister Ng also said that he received letter letters from families who say they have been separated because NS-liable PRs chose not to complete their duty.

Thanks for the update, ksi!

I don't quite understand what is meant by the sentence in bold above. :scratchhead:

Highlighted for you.. it means, the ungrateful sons CHOSE to be separated from their parents..

[concern2]

limlim:

concern2:

[quote=\"ksi\"]Hmmm....this is the latest news from the Defence minister clarifying on the PR's sons' NS status, they heard our confusion over this.... :evil:


http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20120701-356519.html


...Minister Ng also said that he received letter letters from families who say they have been separated because NS-liable PRs chose not to complete their duty.

Thanks for the update, ksi!

I don't quite understand what is meant by the sentence in bold above. :scratchhead:

Highlighted for you.. it means, the ungrateful sons CHOSE to be separated from their parents..[/quote]OH! :slapshead: :sad:

[tigermum]

verykiasu2010:

tigermum:

his son may not be able to change citizenship because singapore does not allow dual citizenship and he needs to renounce his singapore citizenship before he is allowed to take up another citizenship. his new host country may not bother whether he renounces his singapore citizenship or not, but singapore won't allow. the moment he steps into singapore embassy overseas, he will be told he can't renounce unless and until he serves his ns. at the end, he just remain stateless

Do u mean that he cannot renounce his citizenship at the age of 21?

if the new host country need to see proof of renunciation of previous citizenship and if he has not served ns, even above age 21, when he goes to any singapore embassy to renounce, he will not be accepted[/quote]

So that is to say he 'born as Singaporean, die as Singaporean', at any age also cannot denounce unless do NS? So this 'you can choose your citizenship when you grow up' is not true (in relation to foreign spouse) because Singapore has this NS attached to it.

[corneyAmber]

concern2:

ksi:

Hmmm....this is the latest news from the Defence minister clarifying on the PR's sons' NS status, they heard our confusion over this.... :evil:


http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20120701-356519.html


...Minister Ng also said that he received letter letters from families who say they have been separated because NS-liable PRs chose not to complete their duty.

Thanks for the update, ksi!

I don't quite understand what is meant by the sentence in bold above. :scratchhead:

It is indeed interesting to report this point since they are doing it by choice. I believe the bottom line is Dr Ng wants to make his stand firm that there is no 2-ways about the NS policy.