City Harvest's founder Kong Hee & 4 others arrested/charged
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empressplace:
You r right that according to Bible Christian go straightaway to heaven,:
Buddhists may repeat life cycles and still not reach Nirvana. Christians go to heaven after death.
Unfortunately not all Christian go to heaven, only those who do the will of the heavenly Father. Those who are disobedient to His commands, (i.e : love money or worldly things more than God) wont go to heaven unless they repent. Christian go to heaven by grace (be it a Christian for a day or yrs) not by work or merit, only by accepting Christ n follow His commands, our good works will surely be rewarded accordingly in heaven n earth.
Luke 23: 32-43
39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”
40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”
42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.[c]”
43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.” -
empressplace:
\"Buddhists may repeat life cycles and still not reach Nirvana. Christians go to heaven after death\". I think this is a very sweeping statement.kwcllf:
Nobody is glossing over the differences but to put out a statement like \"Buddhists may repeat life cycles and still not reach Nirvana. Christians go to heaven after death\" is not something should be mentioned lightly without the clear understanding of the teachings of other religions.
Which part is wrong may I ask? -
The Amitabha pureland school in Buddhism resembles Christianity in some ways. The school believes that through the belief of Amitabha and an ernest desire to be reborn in his pureland, one will be reborn there after death provided he met the minimum criteria (have not committed the five heinous acts, (a) killing our fathers, (b) mothers, or
an arhat (a liberated being), (d) with bad intentions drawing blood from a Buddha, or (e) causing a split in the monastic community).
This is something like liberation through grace but faith and not commiting any heinous acts are important criteria.
To some Buddhists, they can easily see christianity as a branch of Buddhism. -
Disobedient Christian go to hell,
http://spiritlessons.com/Documents/Carmelo_Brenes_Christian_that_wound_up_in_Hell/index.htm
the tesmony by Jennifer Perez:
http://spiritlessons.com/documents/Jennifer_Perez/Hell_is_Real_I_Went_There_Jennifer_Perez.htm
http://spiritlessons.com/Documents/Pictures_from_the_PIT/index.htm -
blessed777:
Well you see....the problem is that words can be interpreted differently. the mainstream christians will argue that people like KH does not abey the words of God..but KH et al, will argue that it is the other way round and they think they are the best christians around.Disobedient Christian go to hell, the tesmony by Jennifer Perez:
That is why I don' think spirituality is about how knowledgeable one is with the scriptures and how well he/she can quote from it. It is about how much kinder and compassionate the person has transform into....the peaceful bliss that he starts to enjoy and the wisdom that starts to glow forth that enable him to manage life many adversities and to help others. -
kwcllf:
\"Buddhists may repeat life cycles and still not reach Nirvana. Christians go to heaven after death\". I think this is a very sweeping statement.
kwcllf: Please re-read the post I was specifically responding to. I am not making a statement in isolation. blessed777 elaborated very clearly on the Christian concept of grace, going to heaven straight after death (no rebirth) etc.
As for searching on the internet, it's just a simple convenient tool. If you feel it is not good enough for you, feel free to read up books if you wish. -
WeiHan:
i agree, knowledge of the scriptures is only a first step, the more important step is to let the scriptures transform us.. when we can love others like how God love them then others can see how our life hv been transformed by His love...
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Well you see....the problem is that words can be interpreted differently. the mainstream christians will argue that people like KH does not abey the words of God..but KH et al, will argue that it is the other way round and they think they are the best christians around.
That is why I don' think spirituality is about how knowledgeable one is with the scriptures and how well he/she can quote from it. It is about how much kinder and compassionate the person has transform into....the peaceful bliss that he starts to enjoy and the wisdom that starts to glow forth that enable him to manage life many adversities and to help others. -
WeiHan:
It doesn't matter who interpretes what. At the end of the day, it's the 'head of household' who has the last say. Like we often hear parents tell their kids, if you misbehave, you'll get it when we go home!
Well you see....the problem is that words can be interpreted differently. the mainstream christians will argue that people like KH does not abey the words of God..but KH et al, will argue that it is the other way round and they think they are the best christians around.blessed777:
Disobedient Christian go to hell, the tesmony by Jennifer Perez:
That is why I don' think spirituality is about how knowledgeable one is with the scriptures and how well he/she can quote from it. It is about how much kinder and compassionate the person has transform into....the peaceful bliss that he starts to enjoy and the wisdom that starts to glow forth that enable him to manage life many adversities and to help others.
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empressplace:
Buddhists may repeat life cycles and still not reach Nirvana. Christians go to heaven after death.empressplace:
Um, sorry, but excuse me hor... your first post as quoted here invites controversy, not just because it is so short to explain what one religion is all about, but it is worded in such a way that makes the reader feel you are trying to imply one is more superior to the other. Whilst your explanation seems fair, it doesn't seem to explain your first comment very well.My point is simple. Christian and Buddhist teachings at their core are different. As I said, moral teachings seem about the same but at the core, there are fundamental differences between the Buddhist and Christian beliefs in terms of reincarnation, life and suffering, personal effort versus grace etc.
Let's acknowledge the differences and not gloss over them. Anyway, no need to argue over this. A simple internet search would give some pointers.
The controversy lies in your use of words. If you may allow me to point out specifically, the negative conations in the first sentence: the words 'may', and 'still not', verses the more certainty in tone and positive conation of the word 'heaven' in the second.
I think this is the reason why some may feel offended and why MOD has been asking us to steer clear of making sensitive comments, and in this case, comparing one religion to another.
JMHO. -
patagonia:
haha maybe...even the perceptions of \"head of household\" can completely different...Some see him as rather wrathful and vicious..some see him as full of love.
It doesn't matter who interpretes what. At the end of the day, it's the 'head of household' who has the last say. Like we often hear parents tell their kids, if you misbehave, you'll get it when we go home!
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