Asia spending billions on tutors: study

[jtoh]

limlim:

jtoh:

I don't have a problem with tuition centres advertising, as long as it's not false advertising. What sort of regulation are you suggesting?

casinos cannot show their customer in advertisements making BIG money rite...... or anything that suggests that their customer can potentially be RICH.

so, tuition center cannot show their students scoring As etc.. or suggestion that going to their center can potentially produce good results.

I see what you mean. But parents should also not fall prey so easily to this form of advertising. Just because tuition centre A produces XX% of A* scorers doesn't mean that if I were to send my child there he/she would be assured of an A* too. I'm assuming that parents are rational adults who do their research before buying into any advertisement they see. Or have parents become so insecure that they allow themselves to be mislead by such advertising.

[3Boys]

limlim:

but anyway, what do you suggest to deal with the kiasu parents attitude? you or me educate them? No right?

Another term to look up <Learned Helplessness>

I suggest we beat kiasuparents into submission, preferably with a very large stick.....

A tuition centre tax perhaps, to be recycled back to schools to help the weaker students?

[verykiasu2010]

3Boys:

limlim:

but anyway, what do you suggest to deal with the kiasu parents attitude? you or me educate them? No right?

Another term to look up <Learned Helplessness>

I suggest we beat kiasuparents into submission, preferably with a very large stick.....

A tuition centre tax perhaps, to be recycled back to schools to help the weaker students?

penalise the students where it hurts

anyone scoring more than 100% or more than full marks will have the excess disregarded .....

[tutormum]

janet_lee88:

3Boys:

[quote=\"janet_lee88\"]I have not made any personal attacks on anyone...purely voicing my view on why billions are spent on tutors. To have my views 'rubbished' is utterly unfair.

I try not to make personal attacks. But I take issue with broad sweeping statements that denigrate persons or organisations, without substantiation. A statement like \"It is MOE who makes parents kiasu\" is so out of left field that it is deserving of a sharp rebuttal, and far from being unfair.

Talking about fairness, have you considered whether your statements are fair on the MOE?

Fine, teachers aren't able to teach a class of 40. So that's why we need tutors. AGREE ?

We did not need tutors back then...teachers could teach the kids...it was also about the same number of students in the class too. Why aren't teachers today able to do that ?

Who trains the teachers ? MOE or schools ?[/quote]There are many reasons why teachers could not teach a class of 40.
1. Teachers are not effective in their coaching.
2. Students are inattentive.
3. Students can't be attentive cos there are others who are disruptive.
4. The lessons are beyond the child's understanding and makes him lost interest and give up.
5. The lessons are beneath the child's understanding and makes him bored.
6. Lack of substantial materials.

I taught a class of 20+ in a school. I heard that most of the children were from the 'naughty' class. A handful of boys were very disruptive that it was almost impossible to teach. They were literally playing and fighting in class. I heard that they were better behaved in their actual class cos they had a very fierce teacher. One boy even told me that he wouldn't think of misbehaving in her class. :sick: :faint: It took me about 3 sessions with them before they become manageable.
I have a class of P6 in my tuition centre now. There are 6 of them, 5 of which are boys. 1 is so disruptive that I have to get him to 'behave' every 5 mins before the rest of the boys :pokeeye: :nunchuk: I have to tell them not to react to him but being children, they'll :pokeeye: :razz: Besides teaching, teachers are also disciplinarians, administrators, caregivers etc. It's a tough job and I'm thankful that I don't teach in a school cos having 2 classes with a disruptive student drains all my energy already. :imdrowning:
Unless you have experience teaching a class, it's unfair to make sweeping statements. I mean unfair cos you may not know that the teacher must have been very passionate in delivering her lessons but have students who are not cooperative. I have a father who :stompfeet: :stompfeet: without giving me a chance to explain. :slapshead: :mad: His child was inattentive and I went through the lessons very thoroughly explaining every question. After his wife asked me to pay attention to her son, I noticed that his problem was inattentiveness. When I explained to his father, he refused to accept the fact that his child was inattentive and insisted I was not good in teaching and I put the blame on his son. :slapshead:

[wonderm]

Busymom:

Funz:

SOME teachers are not able to teach a class of 40. This is true even in our time.

Agreed! Some teachers couldn't or didn't bother to teach even during our time. It's just parents' mentality has changed.

I never had tuition when I was in school, but I gave tuition to some top Sec/JC students when I was in uni, as my students were only a few years younger than me, it was not true that there was no need for tuition in \"our time\".

Comparing to my own school days, my children have better teachers in both primary and secondary schools. Of course, not all teachers are fantastic, but in general, I think the quality of teachers improved over the years. The school programmes are also much better these days in my opinion.

Yet, I agree tuition/enrichment are much more prevalent now, and my children had attended some enrichment classes. However, it was not because of incapable teachers. They were fortunate to have the chance to attend such additional classes and they are grateful for that.

Even though my kids are not too stressed and even though we are grateful for what the education system provides for our children, I don't deny that it is more competitive now than before. Hence, it is understandable some or many feel more stressed these days. I would think that's because the society as a whole is more competitive, parents are more educated and more people are able and willing to do more for their children to do well academically in school.

For those who threaten \"let's wait for 2016 if MOE does not listen to us\", I wonder if they think that by replacing the MOE or government, all the \"problems\" will be solved? Maybe there is indeed such \"magic pill\" :evil:

[wonderm]

jtoh:

wonderm:

Maybe MOE can do these:
- Change the names of all the primary and secondary schools to the same
- Change PSLE to one which gives only pass or fail grade and most if not all students should pass

Just having a pass or fail grade in PSLE will hark back to the PSLE of 30-40 years ago? Yes, PSLE was a no-stress exam then. After all, everyone just gets a Pass in the PSLE cert so what's there to stress over? 50% or 100% - same Pass cert. But will parents be happy and satisfied if their kids just receive a PSLE cert that says Pass? Will they start questioning why their neighbour who by all accounts is weaker than their own child is able to get into a better school?

Thanks for your comment, I am with you

[3Boys]

wonderm:

For those who threaten \"let's wait for 2016 if MOE does not listen to us\", I wonder if they think that by replacing the MOE or government, all the \"problems\" will be solved? Maybe there is indeed such \"magic pill\" :evil:

Yes, I find that whole attitude to be repulsive. What does one really expect the MOE to do? Its really no-win.

[BeContented]

My 5 neighbour friends (p3-p5) had tuition. That was >30 years ago lor. And they not rich also…

[limlim]

3Boys:

limlim:

but anyway, what do you suggest to deal with the kiasu parents attitude? you or me educate them? No right?

Another term to look up <Learned Helplessness>

I suggest we beat kiasuparents into submission, preferably with a very large stick.....

do share with us when you succeed to convert the kiasu parents..

[3Boys]

limlim:

3Boys:

[quote=\"limlim\"]
but anyway, what do you suggest to deal with the kiasu parents attitude? you or me educate them? No right?

Another term to look up <Learned Helplessness>

I suggest we beat kiasuparents into submission, preferably with a very large stick.....

do share with us when you succeed to convert the kiasu parents..[/quote]You neglected to quote the one useful suggestion I had after that line.