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[oxyleo]

autumnbronze:

Lilac66 and oxyleo,


I have been doing some back reading again and came across your posts.

I can understand where you are coming from now. Your posts are articulated coherently. They are also consistent in their views.

Thank you for taking the time and effort in sharing your perspectives and experiences wrt to this issue.

Thank you autumn bronze. Appreciate your understanding.
:snuggles:

[Singfrench]

If the 20% who have weak immune systems use antibiotics, that’s fine but if 60% or more use antibiotics then the bacteria (aka exams) are just going to get tougher and tougher for fear of being beaten too easily. Then the antibiotics have to be stronger and stronger. It’s a viscous cycle both one-upping each other only the kids suffer lor since adults are immune to this bug.

[cherryc]

Wow, what a great day with so many thought-provoking and inspiring posts from oxyleo, ksi, lilac66, concern2, Singfrench, limlim etc. (anyone I have missed, rest assured I also appreciate your input….. Sounds like an oscar thank you speech). :rahrah: :rahrah: :rahrah:


Back to limlim's example, if the teachers believe that they have done a good job, they wouldn't feel guilty if parents suspected/complained of those who don't.Their conscience is clear, in fact is those who didn't do a good job who should feel guilty and mindful of their responsibilities. Remember good teachers get paid and not so good teachers also get paid (even better maybe) so blowing the whistles or asking MOE to study the phenomenon does not mean we are blaming all of them. In fact, some good teachers may have left because no one speaks up for them. Ultimately, only MOE can do something about it if they choose to, not anyone of us so it does not benefit anyone to keep blaming anyway.

Teachers are adults and are professional, we respect them but students are children whom we have to protect at all costs. I believe that children has basic rights to access to equitable education, sufficient rest and play and growing at their suitable pace.

I cannot comment if all teachers teach well, but I have seen a fair share of teachers who frequently took sick leave, annual leave, many new inexperienced teachers due to high turnover, once in a while perverted teachers (like today's chinese evening newspaper headline with photo of the male teacher glaring at me now).

The puzzling part is the authority's silence on this issue that resulted our repeating of our \"observations\" till the system breaks or self-resolved?

I salute to all those who give voice when they observe social anomaly or injustice when they can be easily contented with their good lives. I personally know some of them, they are blessed with success in all areas but yet choose to speak up. This is the Singapore I like. :rahrah: :rahrah: :rahrah:

[Lilac66]

autumnbronze:

Lilac66 and oxyleo,


I have been doing some back reading again and came across your posts.

I can understand where you are coming from now. Your posts are articulated coherently. They are also consistent in their views.

Thank you for taking the time and effort in sharing your perspectives and experiences wrt to this issue.

Hi autumnbronze, thanks for taking the time to do that to understand our stand better. As always, we're here to learn from one another's perspectives and I've certainly gained alot . :grphug:
Btw, you're definitely one of those very dedicated and committed teachers that children will hope for.

[autumnbronze]

Suz855:

limlim:

Bcoz they never encountered it, so they dismiss it as myth, and other parent's experience are like lies to them maybe..

:thankyou: limlim :salute:

Some parents are so blessed that they fail to see the pain of others .....

I don't think it's the fact that the 'blessed' others are not able to see the pain.

Apart from other reasons that other posters have shared in response to this post, how the pain is conveyed plays an important part in getting the
message across to the masses.

My 2 cents.

[autumnbronze]

limlim:

autumnbronze:

But then again not ALL teachers don't don't teach. Not ALL of MOE's directives are flawed. Not ALL teachers who moonlight neglect their kids or teaching responsibilities in school. This last statement is the most baffling of all. Why would they want to overturn their main rice bowl?? That is just a huge risk to take wrt to their career. The civil service doesn't take too kindly to employees who adopt such laissez faire approach.

I will qualify though, that there are bad apples in EVERY profession. Not just restricted to the teaching fraternity.

Sadly, the above mentioned assumptions are consistently being pandered generally.

Yes, there are good apples too.

But, there is always room for improvement to raise the overall/general quality, isn't it?

I give an example to illustrate my point, not as comparison.

Not everyone litter after eating in MRT. But, there is a blanket ban that eating is not allowed in MRT. This policy deters those who may eat and litter the train, and also those who eat but will NOT litter the trains.

A good policy, will help to ensure cleanliness of the train for the comfort of all passengers.. isn't it?

But this policy restricted the freedom of the passengers to eat. quite inhumane, sometimes.. maybe?

Ok, I cannot see the relation of your example but this is my very direct response wrt to eating in MRTs.

Eating should be banned in MRTs at all costs. Even if passengers do not intend to litter, there will inevitably be crumbs on the floor, creating a mess and breeding pests ....

It is not an inhumane policy.

My 2 cents.

[autumnbronze]

limlim:

3Boys:

[quote=\"autumnbronze\"].


Sadly, the above mentioned assumptions are consistently being pandered generally.

:goodpost: :goodpost:

All the myth circulating, posing as truth.

Bcoz they never encountered it, so they dismiss it as myth, and other parent's experience are like lies to them maybe..[/quote]See limlim, there you go yet again, making general sweeping statements, reading what you want to read.

In your above post, you are merely putting words in my mouth and dare I say instigating a misunderstanding wrt to my intentions in posting here by implying that I consider the parents' sharing of their experience as lies.

I have shared time and again about my K1 son being hot housed by my MIL on her own accord, who is a tutor and how I feel about it and how I am
dealing with it. If you cannot remember, I will post again. But in the
meantime, I will not bore the others who may have read it.

Teachers are ALWAYS getting the flak or just plain misunderstood. I will qualify that there are some bad apples, just like in any other profession (repeating myself again). Likewise I know of parents who overdo with the
tuition issue, and of the unrealistic expectations they have of their children. Some of them are my peers, among others. We were the last in the group to have kids so their kids are at least a good 5 to 6 years older than my son. That said, I also know of a few who are more concerned about their
kids experiencing life and building character, rather than in obtaining super
stellar results. And yes, I cannot discount the fact that there is also another group who genuinely need tuition because of various other valid reasons.

The tone adopted is that ALL teachers are bad because they are not doing their job properly, they should ALL be banned from moonlighting etc ....
And in the past threads, we had posters who showed such intense contempt towards teachers, making harsh comments like they cannot multi-task etc ..... showing absolutely no empathy
towards them at all. Going back to the past, in one of the threads where a teacher worked late and was locked in in sch (I cannot remember the details now), the general sweeping response was that ALL teachers or MOST teachers don't have common sense etc ..... (think it was due to how that teacher reacted after being locked in). This bashing has been going on and
on continuously for 2 years or more already. If one has a negative experience to share, by all means share. But please do not relegate all teachers in the same mold. And as a clarification, ONE negative experience
should not constitute any kind of sweeping statement.

As someone put it across earlier, for one bad teacher, there are many
others who are unappreciated.

Hope this clarifies to some extent why I respond the way I respond
sometimes.

If you have been following Chen's postings, you may come to the realization that I never respond that strongly about her negative experiences with teachers and her call for changes to be implemented.

On a separate note, perhaps the mods should initiate A Bouquet for
Teachers thread. But then again, I doubt there will be many postings
there.


ps: this post is addressed to limlim.

[iRabbit]

Singfrench:

If the 20% who have weak immune systems use antibiotics, that's fine but if 60% or more use antibiotics then the bacteria (aka exams) are just going to get tougher and tougher for fear of being beaten too easily. Then the antibiotics have to be stronger and stronger. It's a viscous cycle both one-upping each other only the kids suffer lor since adults are immune to this bug.

Err, why would the 60% [I guess they're the ones with strong immune system in your e.g.] who are not sick want to take antibiotics [tuition]? If they so wish to, they should take vitamins [enrichment] so as not to fall sick. If less pple fall sick, then there's less chance of germs mutating/spreading to everyone else, including those 20% with weak immune system. Issit this a good thing?

We can all quote analogies to support our case, and then, we can all interprete analogies to support our case. Agree?

Before you pass judgement on my post, please hear me out on this one below.

What I would like to suggest - instead of begrudging those who take vitamins - is that, we should find out the reason why the 20% in your e.g. are with weak immunity in the first place? Is there something we can help to strengthen their bodies, especially in the early, formative years.

This, rather than insisting those with stronger bodies should be discouraged/disallowed to take vitamins. I for one, certainly don't want to see all children [weak or strong] fall sick with high frequency.

[verykiasu2010]

KSP:

he can easily buy a house next to NYPS and do volunteer (singing) for the school to qualify for P2B.....

based on property guru website, the detached units there are asking 13m and semi-d above 8 to 9 m .... :faint:

[autumnbronze]

verykiasu2010:

KSP:

he can easily buy a house next to NYPS and do volunteer (singing) for the school to qualify for P2B.....

based on property guru website, the detached units there are asking 13m and semi-d above 8 to 9 m .... :faint:

He is THE Andy Lau, sure he can afford one