Asia spending billions on tutors: study
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ChiefKiasu:
同人不同命，同事不同运。
In truth, life is never fair. We are all born to different families with different fortunes, different parents with different skills. When I was in Primary 2, my form teacher's son studied in the same class as me. We took the same compo writing, spelling, dictation, etc which was marked by the teacher. Despite that, I was still good friends with him and outperformed him in other subjects not taught by his mother.
When we go out to work, we face the same kind of \"unfairness\". Colleagues who could be related to or very good friends with bosses. Colleagues who might be richer, better connected, or prettier than ourselves. Colleagues who might be more talented than ourselves. We can't all scream \"UNFAIR!\" and seek recourse.
Better that we prepare our children for these harsh realities of life, and teach them how to handle these situations than to look for someone to \"right the wrong\" for us.
Sad but it's true....
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FQW:
My son's tutors are not teachers. They are private tutors.
Psst Janet, don't suspect lah. Why don't you go ask your son's many tutors whether they keep 'secret weapon' for tuition alone, kekeke. :evil:janet_lee88:
I strongly suspect teachers keep their 'weapon' or special skill for private tuition. Teachers are paid standard amount in school but paid many times more giving tuition.
I'm going to be shot for saying that but it is the truth.
As for screening, I feel that it's ridiculous. The reason why my son needed tuition is because he is failing. Wanted to register my son at a tuition centre last year when my son flunk P5 Math...my boy was told to sit for a test and asked questions like what school he attended and what class. :slapshead: -
Wrt screening by tuition centers…seriously I dun know which side to take. Like any commercial product or service, providers would target a certain market - niche or mass. TC would as well. If they are targeting the top students, their material & speed may be too challenging for the average. Screening in this case would save the parents’ money & won’t demoralize the child. This would seems valid to me, no??
I knew a parent who complaint about her DD losing interest in Maths & has been slipping since P4. She wanted MO & some of us advised against it as what her DD needed was enforcement in sch syllabus Maths. She ignored & tried to sign her DD for high achiever MO class. Was rejected & eventually persuaded by TC to take up syllabus Maths. If no screening was done & her gal was admitted into MO class, can imagine their frustration when child cannot cope & parent see no improvement. -
BeContented:
What is MO? Maths Olympiad or something?Wrt screening by tuition centers.......seriously I dun know which side to take. Like any commercial product or service, providers would target a certain market - niche or mass. TC would as well. If they are targeting the top students, their material & speed may be too challenging for the average. Screening in this case would save the parents' money & won't demoralize the child. This would seems valid to me, no??
I knew a parent who complaint about her DD losing interest in Maths & has been slipping since P4. She wanted MO & some of us advised against it as what her DD needed was enforcement in sch syllabus Maths. She ignored & tried to sign her DD for high achiever MO class. Was rejected & eventually persuaded by TC to take up syllabus Maths. If no screening was done & her gal was admitted into MO class, can imagine their frustration when child cannot cope & parent see no improvement.
This friend seems to see her daughter's performance through tinted lens hor? as a parent, I think it is very impt to be realistic about the child's ability and to be able to pin point the child's learning problem. -
janet_lee88:
My son's tutors are not teachers. They are private tutors.
Psst Janet, don't suspect lah. Why don't you go ask your son's many tutors whether they keep 'secret weapon' for tuition alone, kekeke. :evil:FQW:
[quote=\"janet_lee88\"]
I strongly suspect teachers keep their 'weapon' or special skill for private tuition. Teachers are paid standard amount in school but paid many times more giving tuition.
I'm going to be shot for saying that but it is the truth.
As for screening, I feel that it's ridiculous. The reason why my son needed tuition is because he is failing. Wanted to register my son at a tuition centre last year when my son flunk P5 Math...my boy was told to sit for a test and asked questions like what school he attended and what class. :slapshead:[/quote]what is wrong with taking a test ? and asking what school he is from ? without knowing the background and the standard of the child, how to expect the tutor to know where to start & how to start to help ? I believe your son's tutor is not God and won't know unless there is some form of assessment to find out what your son knows and does not know.
if the tutor does not find out, you would next post in this forum that the tutor is so terrible and useless to repeat what your son already know and not helping him what he does not know and blame him for not finding out .... -
verykiasu2010:
from the perspective of getting to know the child more in order to help the child, I would agree that a proficiency test is necessary. (Just to add that from I gathered from the radio talk show, when potential clients take proficiency tests at TLL, if they dont meet the mark, they would be turned away. In this case, I find havign such tests unacceptable.)
what is wrong with taking a test ? and asking what school he is from ? without knowing the background and the standard of the child, how to expect the tutor to know where to start & how to start to help ? I believe your son's tutor is not God and won't know unless there is some form of assessment to find out what your son knows and does not know.janet_lee88:
My son's tutors are not teachers. They are private tutors.
As for screening, I feel that it's ridiculous. The reason why my son needed tuition is because he is failing. Wanted to register my son at a tuition centre last year when my son flunk P5 Math...my boy was told to sit for a test and asked questions like what school he attended and what class. :slapshead:
if the tutor does not find out, you would next post in this forum that the tutor is so terrible and useless to repeat what your son already know and not helping him what he does not know and blame him for not finding out ....
However, I wonder why the need to ask about the child's school and the class? Sterotyping here, isn't it? If my child is from atas school, then got hope. If neighbourhood school, no need to bother? -
Imami:
from the perspective of getting to know the child more in order to help the child, I would agree that a proficiency test is necessary. (Just to add that from I gathered from the radio talk show, when potential clients take proficiency tests at TLL, if they dont meet the mark, they would be turned away. In this case, I find havign such tests unacceptable.)
what is wrong with taking a test ? and asking what school he is from ? without knowing the background and the standard of the child, how to expect the tutor to know where to start & how to start to help ? I believe your son's tutor is not God and won't know unless there is some form of assessment to find out what your son knows and does not know.verykiasu2010:
[quote=\"janet_lee88\"]
My son's tutors are not teachers. They are private tutors.
As for screening, I feel that it's ridiculous. The reason why my son needed tuition is because he is failing. Wanted to register my son at a tuition centre last year when my son flunk P5 Math...my boy was told to sit for a test and asked questions like what school he attended and what class. :slapshead:
if the tutor does not find out, you would next post in this forum that the tutor is so terrible and useless to repeat what your son already know and not helping him what he does not know and blame him for not finding out ....
However, I wonder why the need to ask about the child's school and the class? Sterotyping here, isn't it? If my child is from atas school, then got hope. If neighbourhood school, no need to bother?[/quote]I think you are mistaken
Even for TLL, the test is also to stream tuition kids to the same level of ability to be more effective in a tuition class. TLL is not a one to one tuition place
For Janet case, the tutor need to know the school and class, for who knows, her son could be from NYPS ha class, their math ability would be different from say rulang bottom class. The progress and ability of these kids from diff school / class could be diff though by end of p6 they would have covered all the same stuff
Don't think tutors can just teach blind -
Imami:
from the perspective of getting to know the child more in order to help the child, I would agree that a proficiency test is necessary. (Just to add that from I gathered from the radio talk show, when potential clients take proficiency tests at TLL, if they dont meet the mark, they would be turned away. In this case, I find havign such tests unacceptable.)
what is wrong with taking a test ? and asking what school he is from ? without knowing the background and the standard of the child, how to expect the tutor to know where to start & how to start to help ? I believe your son's tutor is not God and won't know unless there is some form of assessment to find out what your son knows and does not know.verykiasu2010:
[quote=\"janet_lee88\"]
My son's tutors are not teachers. They are private tutors.
As for screening, I feel that it's ridiculous. The reason why my son needed tuition is because he is failing. Wanted to register my son at a tuition centre last year when my son flunk P5 Math...my boy was told to sit for a test and asked questions like what school he attended and what class. :slapshead:
if the tutor does not find out, you would next post in this forum that the tutor is so terrible and useless to repeat what your son already know and not helping him what he does not know and blame him for not finding out ....
However, I wonder why the need to ask about the child's school and the class? Sterotyping here, isn't it? If my child is from atas school, then got hope. If neighbourhood school, no need to bother?[/quote]Perhaps you have too much stereotyping yourself about school and tuition and so-called atas schools? Time to remove the tinted glass -
ChiefKiasu:
ksi:
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MOE's response
[color=#FF0000]MOE's stand on the issue is that teachers are strictly not allowed to tutor students from the same school in private.
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Source: http://www.asiaone.com/News/Education/Story/A1Story20090225-124547.html
In truth, life is never fair. We are all born to different families with different fortunes, different parents with different skills. When I was in Primary 2, my form teacher's son studied in the same class as me. We took the same compo writing, spelling, dictation, etc which was marked by the teacher. Despite that, I was still good friends with him and outperformed him in other subjects not taught by his mother.
When we go out to work, we face the same kind of \"unfairness\". Colleagues who could be related to or very good friends with bosses. Colleagues who might be richer, better connected, or prettier than ourselves. Colleagues who might be more talented than ourselves. We can't all scream \"UNFAIR!\" and seek recourse.
Better that we prepare our children for these harsh realities of life, and teach them how to handle these situations than to look for someone to \"right the wrong\" for us.
I agree with you on this. When I was in Pri sch, I used to envy those students whose teachers were from the same school, until I had a classmate who was the second-born of one of my teachers. He was notoriously naughty because he was highly pressurized as his older bro was the top student, and his father was teacher there . It is better to look at what we have and not what we do not have, and try to achieve the most out of it.
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Your last sentence says it all concern2. :goodpost:
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