All About GEP
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I think scoring below the baseline is possible. Being gifted does not mean gifted in academic. They may be gifted in other areas like music or art, have very high IQ. So when it comes to academic, they are a little slack. They may spend most of their time drawing/painting, playing music, etc.
Not sure if Mozart and Beethoven can survive in our GEP program. -
Lynn2010:
Such gifted kids would not clear the GEP tests in the first place, since GEP test comprised of Math & Eng, besides GA.I think scoring below the baseline is possible. Being gifted does not mean gifted in academic. They may be gifted in other areas like music or art, have very high IQ. So when it comes to academic, they are a little slack. They may spend most of their time drawing/painting, playing music, etc.
Not sure if Mozart and Beethoven can survive in our GEP program.
Being good in one subj or area will not get one into GEP. Lim Jeck is a good example. He is a Maths genius but a mediocre in Lang. -
Lynn2010:
:goodpost:I think scoring below the baseline is possible. Being gifted does not mean gifted in academic. They may be gifted in other areas like music or art, have very high IQ. So when it comes to academic, they are a little slack. They may spend most of their time drawing/painting, playing music, etc.
Not sure if Mozart and Beethoven can survive in our GEP program.
But I do not believe our GEP are for these gifted in arts. They are unlikely to get through the selection in the first place. -
Lynn2010:
The GEP selection test is for those who are academically 'gifted', not for those who are gifted in music, art etc.I think scoring below the baseline is possible. Being gifted does not mean gifted in academic. They may be gifted in other areas like music or art, have very high IQ. So when it comes to academic, they are a little slack. They may spend most of their time drawing/painting, playing music, etc.
Not sure if Mozart and Beethoven can survive in our GEP program. -
jtoh:
I also think that it is not acceptable and it does not reflect well on the teachers, schools and the students.Nebbermind:
But for a class of 24~25, 4 or 5 underperformers is not surprising for the worst case. I remember a couple of kids in class were always labelled underperformers but eventually did well enough or dsa to one of the top IP sch.
In my opinion, 4-5 scoring below baseline in a class of 25 is a lot. That's akin to 20% of the class. -
Nebbermind:
Guess diff expectation bah. Other than the underperformers, there was also the slackers ( I really wonder if the kids coined these terms or teachers gave) so the figures is abt there for the more relax gep sch. Like I said, it's for worst case. Schools such as RGPS will not let that happens.jtoh:
[quote=\"Nebbermind\"]But for a class of 24~25, 4 or 5 underperformers is not surprising for the worst case. I remember a couple of kids in class were always labelled underperformers but eventually did well enough or dsa to one of the top IP sch.
In my opinion, 4-5 scoring below baseline in a class of 25 is a lot. That's akin to 20% of the class.
[/quote]Yes, I suppose there are slackers who'll do poorly not because they are less capable but bec of attitude. But if they're showing consistently below baseline results from P4-P6, likelihood is they will score <255 in PSLE unless they buck up in the final sprint. And likelihood they may not get COs to their dream school.
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Nebbermind:
Guess diff expectation bah. Other than the underperformers, there was also the slackers ( I really wonder if the kids coined these terms or teachers gave) so the figures is abt there for the more relax gep sch. Like I said, it's for worst case. Schools such as RGPS will not let that happens.jtoh:
[quote=\"Nebbermind\"]But for a class of 24~25, 4 or 5 underperformers is not surprising for the worst case. I remember a couple of kids in class were always labelled underperformers but eventually did well enough or dsa to one of the top IP sch.
In my opinion, 4-5 scoring below baseline in a class of 25 is a lot. That's akin to 20% of the class.[/quote]There are only so few GEP centres. I expect the MOE to have a close monitoring of all the centres. The difference in standard should not be that great. Whether relax or not relax GEP sch, the teachers must help ALL students to clear the baseline mark since the baseline mark is only the min passing mark. We are not talking about 75 or 80 percent.
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[quote="Atan]Such gifted kids would not clear the GEP tests in the first place, since GEP test comprised of Math & Eng, besides GA.
Being good in one subj or area will not get one into GEP. Lim Jeck is a good example. He is a Maths genius but a mediocre in Lang.[/quote]
Lim Jeck was not in GEP?! I thought those maths geniuses would be selected even if their English standard is just average. When I attended Catholic High school tour for GEP school selection, the teacher said they had 2 GEP students who were maths geniuses but needed English remedial lessons from P4 all the way to P6. -
PiggyLalala:
There are only so few GEP centres. I expect the MOE to have a close monitoring of all the centres. The difference in standard should not be that great. Whether relax or not relax GEP sch, the teachers must help ALL students to clear the baseline mark since the baseline mark is only the min passing mark. We are not talking about 75 or 80 percent.[/quote]GEP does keep a close eye on the centres and the students. That's why I think for the students who are not performing, it's not because the teachers haven't been putting in the effort. It's more to do with the students' ability and attitude. The question then is why are they not performing? Not GEP standard but managed to squeeze into the programme bec of GEP prep programmes and now struggling? Or they never wanted to go to GEP and their parents forced them to?
Guess diff expectation bah. Other than the underperformers, there was also the slackers ( I really wonder if the kids coined these terms or teachers gave) so the figures is abt there for the more relax gep sch. Like I said, it's for worst case. Schools such as RGPS will not let that happens.Nebbermind:
[quote=\"jtoh\"]
In my opinion, 4-5 scoring below baseline in a class of 25 is a lot. That's akin to 20% of the class. -
jtoh:
Yes, I suppose there are slackers who'll do poorly not because they are less capable but bec of attitude. But if they're showing consistently below baseline results from P4-P6, likelihood is they will score <255 in PSLE unless they buck up in the final sprint. And likelihood they may not get COs to their dream school.
Not everyone's expectation and dream school are the same!!!
We only asked for 250 from our boy and encouraged him to better that so he can get better choice of 3rd lang. :evil:
To us, GEP is just a Godsend enrichment class. Juz go there and enjoy the process. As long as he put in enough effort n not fall so far behind the cohort, it's OK coz eventually also take the same PSLE. Since it is known that some of the things are beyond their yrs, we accepted that there will be a % of math qns which he will not be able to do...just go and get solution from teachers...why lose sleep over it or die-die must have tuition?
Think he cleared baseline most of the time....not important now...only remember he even volunteered for remedial but rejected.
Does not reflect well on school and teachers? Nah...that's the least of our concern....our boy has to enjoy his time there...he shd not be the justification of the teacher/school KPI.
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