Opinions of the Primary School Registration System

[Imami]

dorisp:

Imami:

No la, rains – Limlim is not exactly like what you thought. He may be a grouchy old uncle ......

:siam:

Maybe not grouchy old uncle. I just read that he is still doing IPPT every year. So he cant be too old…. :imsorry:

[verykiasu2010]

limlim:

alng:

That is why MOE is in such a dilemma. It is indeed not easy to get rid of the alumni phase. I do not think the alumni priority can be replaced completely by the distance priority. Putting a cap to phase 2A is already a big change to our P1 registration but that cap will not solve any problem. Just look at the SC priority that kicks off this year.

I find the alumni priority argument similar to Singaporeans vs PR/FT. Singaporeans have been saying that Singaporeans build Singapore and now have to share their fruit of their efforts with PR/FT and it is not fair to Singaporeans. Now, is it fair for alumni to share the fruit of their efforts (that build up the popular school) with those who have the money to buy the expensive property within 1 km of the popular school?

Wonder if putting a cap on P2A alone will open another can of worms..

If those active alumni within 1km got balloted out, wouldn't they make noise about that place taken by a sleeping alumni that lives 20km away?


Singapore is build by SC and early immigrants.. not funded/sponsored by united nation or what not. And the British abandon Singapore before, even thou they play a part in building it.

But school are build by taxpayers Money, and contributed by ALL Singaporeans. Why should alumni take all the credits and benefits?

hence, your argument of \"alumni vs public and SC vs FT\" is flawed.

Singapore is built by early immigrants....subjects under British colonial rule, none was a SC until after Aug 9, 1965.

Between Sept 16, 1962 to Aug 8, 1965, everyone is a Malaysian citizen

Before Sept 16, 1962, subjects of British colony, and all are immigrants

Before and after Aug 9, 1965 immigrants continue to work side by side with SC in building the country, and many of the government ministers past and present are immigrants of recent era, and many immigrants came together with FDI fueling the development of the nation to an advanced economy today

It is one thing to take pride in SC and be nationalistic about it but another thing to wrongly deny the contribution of immigrants and FDI

As for the schools, it is NOT TRUE that all are built by tax payers money

Many of the popular schools are built by well known wealthy immigrants, who contribute the land and money to build them. Some of the land was in prime area and the government exchanged it for urban planning purpose and so the 'old' school now sits on government land. Some of the wealthy immigrants become citizens and their descendants continue to contribute to the schools their forefathers built

[dorisp]

verykiasu2010:

Many of the popular schools are built by well known wealthy immigrants, who contribute the land and money to build them. Some of the land was in prime area and the government exchanged it for urban planning purpose and so the 'old' school now sits on government land. Some of the wealthy immigrants become citizens and their descendants continue to contribute to the schools their forefathers built

Oh that is probably why church and clan members given priority in P2B.

So the day where P2A applicants exceeds places available and nothing is left for P2B, then.........



Just kidding.

[pirate]

alng:

Schools are already in clusters and overseen by a cluster head from MOE. The school prinicpals in each cluster do meet regularly to share best practices. These best practices are also shared with all schools at the annual MOE Excel Fest. But how to enforce that every school will follow all the so-called best practices? If you are MOE, do you want to control the schools and the principals so much or just provide general guidelines and trust the school principals will do a good job?


The CEO of an organisation also cannot ensure that all the managers and managers of subsidiaries will run their departments exactly in the same manner as he wishes. Too much control also works against motivation.

As far as MOE is concerned, every school is a good school. I do not think MOE is wrong in saying that because the resources put in by MOE is the same for each primary school. However, schools have other resources from parents and alumni. It is the support from parents and alumni that make popular schools different from others. It is our perception as parents that all schools are not equally good. We are not wrong either.

If I were MOE, yes I would want to control those schools that are not performing well. A CEO cannot allow those sub-par departments/subsidiaries to continue to do what they are doing, because what they are doing is not working.

I wait for the day when the Minister puts his hand on his heart and tell me that, \"No child will enjoy an advantage over your child merely because the ping pong ball with his/her number on it drops out of the wire cage while the ping pong ball with your child's number did not.\"

[3Boys]

pirate:

I wait for the day when the Minister puts his hand on his heart and tell me that, \"No child will enjoy an advantage over your child merely because the ping pong ball with his/her number on it drops out of the wire cage while the ping pong ball with your child's number did not.\"

Which society in the world can say that?

That there will be unevenness and a matter of luck sometimes is a fact of life. The question is how uneven it is or if it proves to be a significant disadvantage.

The schools will never be exactly the same, nor should they be exactly the same.

[limlim]

Imami:

dorisp:

[quote=\"Imami\"]
No la, rains – Limlim is not exactly like what you thought. He may be a grouchy old uncle ......

:siam:

Maybe not grouchy old uncle. I just read that he is still doing IPPT every year. So he cant be too old…. :imsorry:[/quote]
so old liao still hv to do IPPT...... that's the sad part....

My much younger peers all MR liao....

But I thank the govt for the pocket money every year.... :evil:

[limlim]

verykiasu2010:

Singapore is built by early immigrants....subjects under British colonial rule, none was a SC until after Aug 9, 1965.

sorrie...... ya you're right..

[pirate]

[quote]The question is how uneven it is or if it proves to be a significant disadvantage.[/quote]
Of course I am talking about more than just a marginal advantage. :pokeeye: Just compare the top schools with the bottom.

[limlim]

verykiasu2010:

Many of the popular schools are built by well known wealthy immigrants, who contribute the land and money to build them. Some of the land was in prime area and the government exchanged it for urban planning purpose and so the 'old' school now sits on government land. Some of the wealthy immigrants become citizens and their descendants continue to contribute to the schools their forefathers built

Ok.. so we should give priority to these founders and their descendants.. I guess that is fair.

but we cannot accord all alumni with the same kind of \"appreciation\" right?

Sleeping alumni does not contribute much more than any other taxpayers, after factoring in that they do benefit significantly from the schools itself..

Perhaps those distinguished ones (active, made significant contribution etc..) could be singled out for preferential treatment and priority.. I guess everyone can accept that..

But not give priority to \"just anyone\" who studied in that school before.

[3Boys]

pirate:

Of course, I am talking about more than just a marginal advantage.

In which case I believe we are already quite near that. Look, you have to look at the whole thing in totality. There are a myriad of factors which will determine someone's eventual outcome in life. Some of it is personal, some of it is familial, some of it is in the school, some of it is in the state of the economy of the country, some of it is down to luck.

If you were in Spain or Greece and a freshly minted PhD grad, which job are you going to get? If at a career crossroad, you chose job A over job B, and it held you back, how long will you take to recover from it? If you were David Beckham's son, how difficult would it be for you to get into a big club's football academy?

Everyone obsesses over the school, when it is but one small part in the whole chain of what determines one's destiny.