Opinions of the Primary School Registration System

[SAHM_TAN]

Pirate,


Do you honestly believe that getting into a branded school will mean a better chance of gaining admission into local uni?

[limlim]

verykiasu2010:

3Boys:

[quote=\"pirate\"]
I am just dissatisfied that the system we currently have in Singapore allows the ping pong ball to play such a big part.

And I disagree that it plays a big part at all.

it is not just a big part, but the whole part, for those who are affected.[/quote]Not fair!

They should use basket ball.....

[dorisp]

limlim:

Not fair!

They should use basket ball.....

:slapshead:

Here they go again.......

:faint:

[alng]

pirate:

Well, then. All MOE has to do is to publish statistics from the last 20 years to show us that there is no statistically significant deviation in the number of local university graduates amongst those who managed to get into the \"branded\" and most popular primary schools, and those who got into the least popular primary schools at each cohort's pri 1 registration.

Don't need 20 years of statistics. RGS said at their recent open house that they have students from 100 primary schools. This tell us that even the average neighbourhood schools are producing students who go to RGS.

Maybe I am wrong....94 primary schools went into balloting this year at phase 2C....so close to the number 100.....

[3Boys]

pirate:

3Boys:

[quote=\"pirate\"]I am just dissatisfied that the system we currently have in Singapore allows the ping pong ball to play such a big part.

And I disagree that it plays a big part at all.

Well, then. All MOE has to do is to publish statistics from the last 20 years to show us that there is no statistically significant deviation in the number of local university graduates amongst those who managed to get into the \"branded\" and most popular primary schools, and those who got into the least popular primary schools at each cohort's pri 1 registration.[/quote]Of course there is a statistical trend, how can there not be? But what is the cause and what is the effect? Of course better students at the P6 level statistically will be over-represented at Uni compared to weaker students at P6. But is it the students that make the school, or the school that makes the student? If a weak student enters a strong school, does he suddenly become a strong student? What happens if he finds it even more difficult to manage. And vice-versa, does being in a 'less-branded' school compromise the ability of a strong student to enter a good Secondary school on his own merit?

And if you look at all the top top primary schools by PSLE scores, how many of those were GEP siphoned off other P-schools?

[pirate]

SAHM_TAN:

Pirate,

Do you honestly believe that getting into a branded school will mean a better chance of gaining admission into local uni?

I believe that the whole package, including teaching standards, ethos, environment and classmates makes a difference. It makes a difference gaining admission into secondary schools, which then snowballs into a difference gaining admission higher up.

I believe that the likes of RGS, SCGS, ACS, Catholic High, Ai Tong, Nan Chiau etc are disproportionately represented in local universities compared to the likes of those \"unpopular\" primary schools.

If I am wrong, it should be easy enough to prove. I am not interested in outliers like so-and-so top student from this-or-that primary school or so-and-so from this-or-that branded school that flunked PSLE. I am only interested in cold hard numbers.

MOE can show us there is no statistical variation and end the debate once and for all. The minister has said that every school is a good school. Prove it.

[3Boys]

pirate:

MOE can show us there is no statistical variation and end the debate once and for all. The minister has said that every school is a good school. Prove it.

Third time asking.

There is of course a statistical 'variation', how can there not be. Some schools do better than other at PSLE, and students who do better at PSLE tend to have a better chance of ending up in uni.

But what is the cause, and what is the effect?

But those it mean that not all schools are good schools? Or does it mean that all schools are equally good? There is a huge difference in meaning. The minister is stating the former, NOT the latter.

Again, look at the whole package, beyond just the schools, and you will see it plays a really small part.

[pirate]

3Boys:

pirate:

MOE can show us there is no statistical variation and end the debate once and for all. The minister has said that every school is a good school. Prove it.

Third time asking.

There is of course a statistical 'variation', how can there not be. Some schools do better than other at PSLE, and students who do better at PSLE tend to have a better chance of ending up in uni.

But what is the cause, and what is the effect?

Admission into primary 1 is not by merit. Student quality cannot be the cause. Unless you are suggesting that somehow the ping pong balls know whether the kid is smart or not.

[3Boys]

pirate:

Admission into primary 1 is not by merit. Student quality cannot be the cause. Unless you are suggesting that somehow the ping pong balls know whether the kid is smart or not.

Well, not on the kid's merit, but as is the present system, its certainly on the parents' merit, which is directly correlated with the kid's outcome in life.

Relax, you seem clued-in and eager, your daughter will do just fine whichever P-school she ends up.

Again I say, look at the whole package, with a Dad like yourself, she'll get all the care and attention she'll need, and I'm not being sarcastic.

[Laura02]

Actually, I do not think that er "atas" schools like SCGS, ACS, MGS etc send more of their students onto to our local uni than other neighborhood schools. We stand out, because of our school, and perhaps in the confidence we project. And, because it’s an "atas" school, students who fail to gain entry to the local uni are sent overseas to get their degree by their "atas" parents.

But I do think the alumni of RGS & RI are over represented in the local uni in courses like Medicine & Law and increasingly so.