Is GEP really necessary?

[ruohoo97]

就是怕他们看不懂而装懂。

[cherryc]

ruohoo97:

Don't know those 精英们 really can understand this Chinese article or not :imcool:

For the monolingual 精英们 .......or those 似懂非懂

[2ppaamm]

comfy:

2ppaamm:

Of course a GEPper has to work very hard to get a CO through DSA. But the question is do you think it is easier for a GEPper to get a CO then a mainstreamer?Reply : I don't think so.
Second question to you, so you think that handful who slip by and get through by DSA deserves those seats better than every of the 4-5 who were misplaced due to them?
Reply : Whether they deserve or not is for the school to decide.
Have these mainstreamers worked less hard in your opinion simply because they are not GEPpers? Reply : It depend.
Are we not saying each and every child in the system is equally important and a meritocracy system? Why do you think it is ok for this handful to be given such privilege? Also, I am curious why you think having this DSA preference is only a DSA preference. Isn't that what so many 12 years old give up their childhood for? Isn't that what many parents pay thousands and thousands in tuition for? Why is this 'just'? Would you say the same if your child did not qualify for GEP?
Reply : I think all these questions have deviated too far away from what I have asked. I ask because I am curious and interested to know what other benefits or privileges that GEP kids besides DSA,smaller ratio & EESIS which is my very 1st question?

Then it is ok. You go figure whether there is any advantage or not, and I believe you can figure why your answers are as they are. If you don't think there is an advantage, then there isn't to you, so all the best to your child in the DSA vis-a-vis other mainstreamers, I hope she will have the same probability of getting in as the mainstreamers like you said, and have exactly the same outcome as the rest of the mainstreamers. And may you have peace believing so. I think you have the answers to the questions you posed me, so there isn't a need for me to answer them from the start.

[2ppaamm]

comfy:

2ppaamm:

Then, my next question is, why do you think the GEPpers' classes are smaller, given that ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, the weaker students should have a smaller student-teacher ratio? Why is giving smaller classes to gifted children justifiable.

What are ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL means?

ALL THINGS like the teachers are the same, the children are as hard working, they are from the same school, gender etc, all the same. Meaning everything is the same, except that one is a GEP class, and another is mainstream class, which also means one class did better for the GEP selection test, the other didn't. So, presumably, one class will be weaker academically, then which class should have a smaller student-teacher ratio, or smaller class size?

[ruohoo97]

Snow Crystal:

ForumWriter:

Point proven. 2ppaamm is definitely not from the GEP.

:rotflmao:
Forum Writer, you obviously have no clue who 2ppaamm is to pass this remark......*hint* - go search in this forum a bit of her background and you will be :yikes: :oops: for passing such remark... :spank:
2ppaamm is probably one of the cleverest persons you will ever 'meet' in this forum...no need to be from GEP... She old era one lah no GEP yet :evil: :rotflmao:

i second it.
Now I understand where all these come from.

[Mychildren]

Adults, do you all need to be so sarcastic?

Better

[HVR]

The notion that gepers having it easy when come to DSA, having advantages and privileges (over what?) just go to show how bias one can be. There is so much more expected of a gepers from p3-p6 and they have to prove they can deliver. It is definitely not the case of once you entered GEP, you can switch off, relax and then DSA to a good IP school. It doesn’t work that way.


The argument that others get displaced because gepers secure a spot in IP school through DSA despite failing to meet cut off point of the school is well, off the mark. If gepers didnt perform well in IP schools, why do you think IPs school continue to take them in? You can have high t score if you score exceedingly well in one subject and the whole cohort fare comparatively badly in the same subject. From the IP schools’ perspective, surely they will reduce, if not stop, taking in gepers via DSA if past gepers have been performing consistently poorly in the IP schools?

[HVR]

2ppaamm:

comfy:

[quote=\"2ppaamm\"]
Then, my next question is, why do you think the GEPpers' classes are smaller, given that ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, the weaker students should have a smaller student-teacher ratio? Why is giving smaller classes to gifted children justifiable.

What are ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL means?

ALL THINGS like the teachers are the same, the children are as hard working, they are from the same school, gender etc, all the same. Meaning everything is the same, except that one is a GEP class, and another is mainstream class, which also means one class did better for the GEP selection test, the other didn't. So, presumably, one class will be weaker academically, then which class should have a smaller student-teacher ratio, or smaller class size?[/quote]
I know it's hard to accept but our potential and ability are all different. In a weaker class, will reduce the class size or deploying a 'better' teacher help to improve the performance of the class? I think not. It's just like deploying 10 coaches to guide Singapore football team hoping that they can beat brazil in a football match. It just won't work. Conversely, you have to get a top coach to guide brazil team and not anyone in order to help the team to realize its full potential and I would think this is how our GEP program work.

[comfy]

2ppaamm:

comfy:

[quote=\"2ppaamm\"]
Of course a GEPper has to work very hard to get a CO through DSA. But the question is do you think it is easier for a GEPper to get a CO then a mainstreamer?Reply : I don't think so.
Second question to you, so you think that handful who slip by and get through by DSA deserves those seats better than every of the 4-5 who were misplaced due to them?
Reply : Whether they deserve or not is for the school to decide.
Have these mainstreamers worked less hard in your opinion simply because they are not GEPpers? Reply : It depend.
Are we not saying each and every child in the system is equally important and a meritocracy system? Why do you think it is ok for this handful to be given such privilege? Also, I am curious why you think having this DSA preference is only a DSA preference. Isn't that what so many 12 years old give up their childhood for? Isn't that what many parents pay thousands and thousands in tuition for? Why is this 'just'? Would you say the same if your child did not qualify for GEP?
Reply : I think all these questions have deviated too far away from what I have asked. I ask because I am curious and interested to know what other benefits or privileges that GEP kids besides DSA,smaller ratio & EESIS which is my very 1st question?

Then it is ok. You go figure whether there is any advantage or not, and I believe you can figure why your answers are as they are. If you don't think there is an advantage, then there isn't to you, so all the best to your child in the DSA vis-a-vis other mainstreamers, I hope she will have the same probability of getting in as the mainstreamers like you said, and have exactly the same outcome as the rest of the mainstreamers. And may you have peace believing so. I think you have the answers to the questions you posed me, so there isn't a need for me to answer them from the start. [/quote]Then it is ok to what? Still don't get it. It is precisely that I can't figure what other advantages that why I ask. Well, it seems to me that there are no other privilege and benefits. Sigh.... was hoping that there are more as your remark/comment seems to imply that (to me). Anyway, thanks for your sharing and questions. Yes, I hope that my dd as well as all kids (gep or non-gep) will have a chance to enter the school that she like. And have a peaceful sleep :snooze: :snooze:

[comfy]

HVR:

2ppaamm:

[quote=\"comfy\"]quote=\"2ppaamm\"

Then, my next question is, why do you think the GEPpers' classes are smaller, given that ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, the weaker students should have a smaller student-teacher ratio? Why is giving smaller classes to gifted children justifiable./quote
What are ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL means?

ALL THINGS like the teachers are the same, the children are as hard working, they are from the same school, gender etc, all the same. Meaning everything is the same, except that one is a GEP class, and another is mainstream class, which also means one class did better for the GEP selection test, the other didn't. So, presumably, one class will be weaker academically, then which class should have a smaller student-teacher ratio, or smaller class size?

I know it's hard to accept but our potential and ability are all different. In a weaker class, will reduce the class size or deploying a 'better' teacher help to improve the performance of the class? I think not. It's just like deploying 10 coaches to guide Singapore football team hoping that they can beat brazil in a football match. It just won't work. Conversely, you have to get a top coach to guide brazil team and not anyone in order to help the team to realize its full potential and I would think this is how our GEP program work.[/quote]Yes, I think so too. :rahrah: