Parents, let's solve this problem for our kids

[3Boys]

Funz:

Make adoption more acceptable. Why do we have people promoting pet adoption but adoption of children seem like such a taboo subject.

I don't see there being any taboo about adoption at all. The issue with adoptions is the same here as it is anywhere in the world, namely, supply, and ensuring a safe environment for the adopted child.

[Funz]

3Boys:

Funz:

Is it truly our choice? It is a choice with strings attached. I think I can fathom your stand on whether people who choose private should be entitled to the same financial assistance.

If it is budgeted for such a purpose, let it be used for that purpose, whether it be a private or govt hospital should not have any bearings. If any criteria is to be set, it should be income based, not pte or govt hospital.

Sorry Funz, disagree with you here. All choices have strings attached, all choices have consequences. Generally if one makes a choice, one should bear the consequences of it, and not expect society to shoulder it. Otherwise it creates a moral hazard, i.e. I can do whatever I want because at the end of the day, someone else will pick up the pieces for me.

No need to say sorry lah. Difference in views are inevitable. No right or wrong.

Agree totally that choices will always come with strings attached. It is the type of strings attached that I am hoping can be less restrictive.

Also agree that there are consequences to everything. I am not saying for the govt to pick up the tab for the entire treatment, but to extend to those who want this treatment the same subsidy regardless of hospitals, to ease some of the decision making process for these people who truly want to have children. We are afterall short of made by Singaporean babies. And we have to assume that people who make the decision to pay that much money for fertility treatment would be sensible enough to not make rash decisions.

[Funz]

3Boys:

Funz:

Make adoption more acceptable. Why do we have people promoting pet adoption but adoption of children seem like such a taboo subject.

I don't see there being any taboo about adoption at all. The issue with adoptions is the same here as it is anywhere in the world, namely, supply, and ensuring a safe environment for the adopted child.

Not the government's attitude. More society or rather my circle of friends and contact anyway. Ok, not taboo, but should have a more open mindset. I have many relatives and friends who tried all sorts of fertility treatment, and weirdly even considered surrogacy, which is not available in Singapore, but would not consider adoption. The thinking is, if cannot have own flesh and blood, they rather not have any at all.

[Ed1975]

3Boys:

Funz:

Make adoption more acceptable. Why do we have people promoting pet adoption but adoption of children seem like such a taboo subject.

I don't see there being any taboo about adoption at all. The issue with adoptions is the same here as it is anywhere in the world, namely, supply, and ensuring a safe environment for the adopted child.

Asian society is still more conservative unlike Western countries

[3Boys]

Funz:

but to extend to those who want this treatment the same subsidy regardless of hospitals, to ease some of the decision making process for these people who truly want to have children. We are afterall short of made by Singaporean babies.

Ok, agree to some extent. The problem with flat subsidies without a controlling hand on the fee, is that the fee will inflate to absorb the subsidy AS WELL as what the payer was willing to pay in the first place. Which is part of the reason why subsidies apply to g'ment hospitals (where fees are controlled) but not to private ones (where they are not).

There is actually a reasonable economic reason for this.

[3Boys]

Funz:

3Boys:

[quote=\"Funz\"]

Make adoption more acceptable. Why do we have people promoting pet adoption but adoption of children seem like such a taboo subject.

I don't see there being any taboo about adoption at all. The issue with adoptions is the same here as it is anywhere in the world, namely, supply, and ensuring a safe environment for the adopted child.

Not the government's attitude. More society or rather my circle of friends and contact anyway. Ok, not taboo, but should have a more open mindset. I have many relatives and friends who tried all sorts of fertility treatment, and weirdly even considered surrogacy, which is not available in Singapore, but would not consider adoption. The thinking is, if cannot have own flesh and blood, they rather not have any at all.[/quote]Interesting......perhaps culturally.

But I don't see that the g'ment has anything to do with this.

[Funz]

3Boys:

Funz:

[quote=\"3Boys\"]
Not the government's attitude. More society or rather my circle of friends and contact anyway. Ok, not taboo, but should have a more open mindset. I have many relatives and friends who tried all sorts of fertility treatment, and weirdly even considered surrogacy, which is not available in Singapore, but would not consider adoption. The thinking is, if cannot have own flesh and blood, they rather not have any at all.

Interesting......perhaps culturally.

But I don't see that the g'ment has anything to do with this.

[/quote]True. I actually lean very much to people rather than government being the problem with why most are not having more or any kids.

But since govt want to look into it, maybe soft sell, 'propaganda', like the ads they have on filial piety.

[Funz]

3Boys:

Funz:

but to extend to those who want this treatment the same subsidy regardless of hospitals, to ease some of the decision making process for these people who truly want to have children. We are afterall short of made by Singaporean babies.

Ok, agree to some extent. The problem with flat subsidies without a controlling hand on the fee, is that the fee will inflate to absorb the subsidy AS WELL as what the payer was willing to pay in the first place. Which is part of the reason why subsidies apply to g'ment hospitals (where fees are controlled) but not to private ones (where they are not).

There is actually a reasonable economic reason for this.

Like in the case of childcare subsidy. Ok, I get what you mean.

[3Boys]

Funz:

True. I actually lean very much to people rather than government being the problem with why most are not having more or any kids.

But since govt want to look into it, maybe soft sell, 'propaganda', like the ads they have on filial piety.

Good luck!

Try changing people's view on dragon babies first!

[Funz]

3Boys:

Funz:

True. I actually lean very much to people rather than government being the problem with why most are not having more or any kids.

But since govt want to look into it, maybe soft sell, 'propaganda', like the ads they have on filial piety.

Good luck!

Try changing people's view on dragon babies first!

That view we don't have to change. More babies good right?

We need to change their views on tiger & snake babies.