Population woes

[zarahsmom]

limlim:

zarahsmom:

I am a pinoy.. and most of my singaporean friends can understand me and from the last time I check, I know that my salary isn't categorised as \"cheap\", so I always have to prove my value every quarterly performance objective setting and appraisal.

Hi zarahsmom.. I did make it a point to mention that my pinoy colleague does exhibit professionalism and capability.. so, we have to recognise that indeed there are foreign talents.. as in your case where you have demonstrated that you do possess capability, and your company recognise and reward you accordingly.

So, those rant that I have against FT policy is the large number of those who aren't really qualified. you wouldn't take my comments too personal ya.. Just want to say that I appreciate your sharing and input too..

:lovesite: just \"contributing\" to interesting conversation.. am also hoping that my fellow pinoy and other fellow FW reading this.. as I must admit the misunderstanding happens on both sides too..

during my first 2 years here, I honestly think most SCs are too demanding and too whiney...past my 3rd yr mark, I begin to emphatise more...

scenario 1: I hear my SC colleague making a point about our unreasonable boss who happens to be outside of SG (and managing us remotely)

Year 2000 -- my reaction would be.. here we go again
Now---? I knoww.. can relate..

:grphug:

[Daddy D]

http://www.straitstimes.com:80/premium/top-the-news/story/govt-may-curb-inflow-s-pass-holders-20121026

[quote]Govt may curb inflow of S-Pass holders
Spike in number of foreign workers on such permits raises concerns

THE Manpower Ministry (MOM) is looking at tightening the inflow of S-Pass holders in a bid to further slow down the increase of foreign workers here.

And to deter firms from employing locals on token pay just to hire more foreign workers, MOM will raise the minimum pay at which locals can be considered full-time workers when calculating a firm's foreign workers quota.

Acting Manpower Minister Tan Chuan-Jin disclosed these impending moves to The Straits Times in an exclusive interview this week.

Explaining the tightening of SPasses, Mr Tan said: \"We have seen a spike in the numbers.\"

The number of foreigners on S Passes shot up by 14,200 to hit 128,100 in the first half of this year. These foreigners earn over $2,000 a month in supervisory or junior professional, managerial and executive (PME) jobs.
\"If there is any prospect of a downturn, you do not want to accentuate (it) further,\" he said. \"So you want to make sure that the policies are sensible given that climate.\"

Mr Tan acknowledged the tensions between keeping Singapore business-friendly and controlling foreign worker numbers.

But the ultimate consideration, he said, must be the well-being of Singaporeans.

\"On a net basis, does it still benefit our people? I think that has to be the question. If it doesn't, then I think we have to relook the equations.\"[/quote]The spike is indeed a worry... At least to me and my future generation.
To curb or not to curb?
Don't get me started on which is the lesser evil... :faint:

[3Boys]

Daddy

http://www.straitstimes.com:80/premium/top-the-news/story/govt-may-curb-inflow-s-pass-holders-20121026

[quote]Govt may curb inflow of S-Pass holders
Spike in number of foreign workers on such permits raises concerns

THE Manpower Ministry (MOM) is looking at tightening the inflow of S-Pass holders in a bid to further slow down the increase of foreign workers here.

And to deter firms from employing locals on token pay just to hire more foreign workers, MOM will raise the minimum pay at which locals can be considered full-time workers when calculating a firm's foreign workers quota.

Acting Manpower Minister Tan Chuan-Jin disclosed these impending moves to The Straits Times in an exclusive interview this week.

Explaining the tightening of SPasses, Mr Tan said: \"We have seen a spike in the numbers.\"

The number of foreigners on S Passes shot up by 14,200 to hit 128,100 in the first half of this year. These foreigners earn over $2,000 a month in supervisory or junior professional, managerial and executive (PME) jobs.
\"If there is any prospect of a downturn, you do not want to accentuate (it) further,\" he said. \"So you want to make sure that the policies are sensible given that climate.\"

Mr Tan acknowledged the tensions between keeping Singapore business-friendly and controlling foreign worker numbers.

But the ultimate consideration, he said, must be the well-being of Singaporeans.

\"On a net basis, does it still benefit our people? I think that has to be the question. If it doesn't, then I think we have to relook the equations.\"

The spike is indeed a worry... At least to me and my future generation.
To curb or not to curb?
Don't get me started on which is the lesser evil... :faint:[/quote]It is the reality. We do need to move up the productivity curve, and part of the answer is curtailing the easy availability of cheap labour.

I really do think its do or die in the next 10-15 years for our economy.

[Daddy D]

Fresh SG grad asking for $3K, or

Fresh S Pass holder asking for $2K...

Who will you hire?
The equation went wrong somewhere....
:faint:

[pirated]

why must fresh grad demand for S$3k and not S$2k?

[pirated]

3Boys:

I really do think its do or die in the next 10-15 years for our economy.

could be 5 years

Euro and US are stagnating, China is slowing down, Japan still in slumberland, Singapore has no hinterland except some expensive human resource who think too highly of themselves and think that the world owe it to them for a living, and they can't be stressed to compete with the world......

For so long they have been told they are the best in the world, but they didn't realise the world has moved on and the well they are dwelling in is getting deeper

[Daddy D]

pirated:

why must fresh grad demand for S$3k and not S$2k?

Like u say... We keep telling ourselves we are the best in the world... How to settle for less?

[WeiHan]

In a way, it is true that the riches in the world pushes for changes that are advantages for them. They have lobbied all the respective governments and authorities in the world to so-call globalised the world and to sign free trade pacts. Is apparent that businesses especially huge MNCs are the one benefited the most from these changes. Workers in places like Singapore has the greatest to lose as they can no longer ask for fresh graduate pay of $3k and have to settle with much lower pay which 3rd world countries workers are offering. Big bisinesses are the one that benefitted the most as it is obvious because they as said, they are the one that have lobbied for the change.


Now, who can argue that it is not the elites of the world that have written the rules and law of the games that will benefit them the most?

[Daddy D]

http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/singapore/story/starting-pay-fresh-grads-singapore-survey

[quote]August report...
Starting pay for fresh grads in Singapore up: Survey
Degree holders without honours are earning an average of $2,678 this year - 2.3 per cent higher than the $2,617 last year.
Those with honours in the second lower category or below are earning an average of $2,766 - up 2.1 per cent from $2,710 last year.[/quote]So SG fresh grads should be asking for lower pay to fight with S Pass holders?
Or SG fresh grads are more qualified, so can ask for higher pay?
:?

[matrix0405]

If S-pass grad ask for $2K , with kick backs, local grad should ask for $1.6K. Imagine when local grads are cheaper, better and faster then there will be no competition. Very good for Singapore but not very good for Singaporean.