Nanyang Primary
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Wintersoul15:
What is S formulation? The principal said the school is using this formulation (To allocate their classes)Hi
My girl came back n told me that teacher said brieftly that HA classes are first 4 classes , so I assumed they are ABCD. Anyway, the top 5 in her class are also in ACD. No one was in B. Don't know why. Her class top boy is in A class. -
Any feedback on how are the GEP teachers?
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BigDevil:
There is no pure GEP class in NYPS. META is a programme to intermingle GEP students and students who just missed the mark for GEP.mummy so kiasu:
[quote=\"CHC123\"]Does anyone knows how the school allocate the next year P5 class other than Meta and GEP? Which is a better class because the class allocation was out yesterday. Thanks.
GEP is the better class. I think Meta is for those miss the GEP class by 1 or 2 point.
NY takes in about 4 classes worth of GEP students. These students are allocated into 6 classes, each class having a mix of GEP and non-GEP students in the ratio of 17:10 (approx).
When they are having lessons for non-GEP subjects (CL, PE, arts, music, form teacher hour, trips, excursions), the intermingled students will have lessons together.
When it is time for lessons for GEP subjects (Eng, MA, Sc, SS), the 3 classes of non-GEP students will combine into 1 class for the lesson, while the GEP students will combine into 2 classes to have their lesson.[/quote]Is this new? When was it implemented? My DS finish P5 in NYPS last year. He was in GEP and there were 4 specific classes for GEP students and only intermingle for CL, I think.
DD starting P1 next year, so I need to get reacquainted with the system again
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Indeed, this is really strange. All geppers are combined into 2 classes? which means 50 students in one class? Isn't this worse off than mainstream?
No pure GEP class? Meaning nyps is no longer gep centre?
meta students are those that missed GEP by 1 or 2 point? Which source does this come from? Only understanding is that META are for those nyps students who didn't get through round 2. Some are identified (in their letters or maybe to school) as the top 2%-5% in selection test. The nyps school representatives reiterated that the school doesn't accept non-nyps students into the meta programme, even if they are among the top 2-5%.
From a current nyps P6 gepper, only selected few students joined the geppers for cl. Mainstream cl/hcl is different from gep cl/hcl. Unless all meta students are also taking gep cl papers. Does GEP branch allows this? Same practice throughout the 9 schools?
If nyps is making such drastic change (big class sizes, no pure GEP classes etc ), then the nyps principal has the responsibility to inform parents during the GEP briefing. One of the pros about GEP is the small class size.Dnls_mum:
Is this new? When was it implemented? My DS finish P5 in NYPS last year. He was in GEP and there were 4 specific classes for GEP students and only intermingle for CL, I think.BigDevil:
There is no pure GEP class in NYPS. META is a programme to intermingle GEP students and students who just missed the mark for GEP.
NY takes in about 4 classes worth of GEP students. These students are allocated into 6 classes, each class having a mix of GEP and non-GEP students in the ratio of 17:10 (approx).
When they are having lessons for non-GEP subjects (CL, PE, arts, music, form teacher hour, trips, excursions), the intermingled students will have lessons together.
When it is time for lessons for GEP subjects (Eng, MA, Sc, SS), the 3 classes of non-GEP students will combine into 1 class for the lesson, while the GEP students will combine into 2 classes to have their lesson.
DD starting P1 next year, so I need to get reacquainted with the system again -
BigDevil:
meta students are taking GEP subjects? From the ratio of 17:10, there will be approx 30 non-gep students taking GEP subjects? But approx 50 geppers in 1 class for GEP subjects?
NY takes in about 4 classes worth of GEP students. These students are allocated into 6 classes, each class having a mix of GEP and non-GEP students in the ratio of 17:10 (approx).
When it is time for lessons for GEP subjects (Eng, MA, Sc, SS), the 3 classes of non-GEP students will combine into 1 class for the lesson, while the GEP students will combine into 2 classes to have their lesson.
Very confusing... Is GEP in NYPS for nyps meta students or moe-identified-gep students? -
According to Mrs Lee, NYPS had been running META for 2 years. Meaning last year was the first year they are doing it. This intermingling of GEP and non-GEP students are not initiated by NYPS, but from MOE: http://www.moe.gov.sg/media/parliamentary-replies/2009/09/gifted-education-programme-int.php
Dnls_mum:
Since the programme first started last year, it might have applied only to last year's P4 geppers. That could be why your P5 gepper is still in a class specifically for geppers only.Is this new? When was it implemented? My DS finish P5 in NYPS last year. He was in GEP and there were 4 specific classes for GEP students and only intermingle for CL, I think.
Freshmint:
Oh boy....this is a bit hard to explain.Indeed, this is really strange. All geppers are combined into 2 classes? which means 50 students in one class? Isn't this worse off than mainstream?
There are 6 META classes of mixed GEP and non-GEP students (I don't call them META students because META is a programme, and since the geppers are also in this programme, they are also...META students
Now these 6 classes are grouped into 2 groups of 3 classes.
Taking one group for example, when it is time for GEP subject lessons, the non-GEP students will come together to form one class (10 x 3 = 30 students), whereas the geppers (17 x 3 = 51 studednts) will form 2 classes (ie. 25 or 26 students). The same happens for the other group of 3 META classes. Clear now? :xedfingers:
Also, the school explained that all META classes take GEP CL because the geppers do not necessarily have advantage over non-geppers in the study of CL. So that is the only academic subject they take together.
Now all these are my understanding from the META briefing (yes, my DD is one of the 2-5%). If I somehow misunderstood, please don't :pokeeye: :torchme: :spank: :heresmyfish:
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BigDevil:
According to Mrs Lee, NYPS had been running META for 2 years. Meaning last year was the first year they are doing it. This intermingling of GEP and non-GEP students are not initiated by NYPS, but from MOE: http://www.moe.gov.sg/media/parliamentary-replies/2009/09/gifted-education-programme-int.php
This is similar in HPPS too. The intermingling is only for non core-subjects, including cl (not sure how they select students for cl). HPPS geppers still retain their own classes. Am surprised that nyps is scrapping this (or has it already been scraped?).
[quote]Oh boy....this is a bit hard to explain.
There are 6 META classes of mixed GEP and non-GEP students (I don't call them META students because META is a programme, and since the geppers are also in this programme, they are also...META students [/quote]This is debatable. By saying geppers are in the META programme is confusing. Are nyps geppers taking the nyps in-house meta programme or moe-gep programme? Geppers chose nyps because of the gep programme not meta programme. [quote]Now these 6 classes are grouped into 2 groups of 3 classes.
Taking one group for example, when it is time for GEP subject lessons, the non-GEP students will come together to form one class (10 x 3 = 30 students), whereas the geppers (17 x 3 = 51 studednts) will form 2 classes (ie. 25 or 26 students). The same happens for the other group of 3 META classes. Clear now? :xedfingers: [/quote]This is clearer now. But the meta/non-gep students are also taking GEP subjects? Please clarify. TIA.
[quote]Also, the school explained that all META classes take GEP CL because the geppers do not necessarily have advantage over non-geppers in the study of CL. So that is the only academic subject they take together.[/quote]Do they take the same GEP CL paper from MOE too?
Not poking, but clarfications are needed. No gep parents would want to find their kids in a class of 50 taking school-based programme, right?
And if indeed META/non-gep students are taking the GEP subjects too (as stated in your post earlier), then more parents will be fighting to get their children into nyps. In addition, it is very unfair to those top 2-5% who are not in nyps. -
Basically, NYPS traditionally has 4 GEP classes and 2 HA classes. These 6 classes are now mixed together to allow for the GEP and META students to mingle with each other. The GEP students are pulled out for core GEP subjects such as English, Math and Science.
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S-formation: ( if I am not wrong, is like this) the school system rank all P2 pupils from first to last. Then " take out" top 160, according to internal criteria. Some schools use only English n math for streaming, mother tongue planned another way bc of teachers allocation. Some schools use all 3 subjects, (nanyang uses all 3, since MT is only Chinese). Then top pupil goes to first class, second pupil goes to second class… So in this case, the 5th pupil will join first class, 6th pupil second class…until 160. Which is why all teachers in the level must sit together, bc pupils are all " mixed up" n needs time to prepare new name list. This requires a lot of time.
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Wintersoul15:
S-formation: ( if I am not wrong, is like this) the school system rank all P2 pupils from first to last. Then \" take out\" top 160, according to internal criteria. Some schools use only English n math for streaming, mother tongue planned another way bc of teachers allocation. Some schools use all 3 subjects, (nanyang uses all 3, since MT is only Chinese). Then top pupil goes to first class, second pupil goes to second class.... So in this case, the 5th pupil will join first class, 6th pupil second class...until 160. Which is why all teachers in the level must sit together, bc pupils are all \" mixed up\" n needs time to prepare new name list. This requires a lot of time.
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