GEP Preparatory Program
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sunflower:
...Given the varying standards across primary school exams while GEP exams are set by MOE and standardised across the 9 schools, does it mean that those GEP students who cannot maintain at least 80% MIGHT not be naturally gifted or were hot-housed into GEP?
The kids enter the programme with varying standards and strengths. So while there are kids who achieve >80% across all subjects with apparent ease, there are also numerous kids who just meet the baseline year after year. I've met boys who are overwhelmingly good in math but much less so with languages. -
nansk:
I don't think a test at P3 level is the same as a test at P6 level. See, is this not the very thing mainstream parents are complaining about? That one test at P3 determines a child's whole schooling path?
And yet, if I were a GEP parent, I guess I would say the same thing in defence of my child's advantages.
Schooling path? Do you mean GEP kids can DSA easily into the top IP schools?
Seeing how friends' GEP kids turned out, I am not so sure that it holds true for all GEP kids. Of the five (of different age groups) I know, only one was accepted by HCI through DSA. Another (strong in Science) was unsuccessul with both RI and HCI but accepted by NUSH through DSA. The rest had to depend on their PSLE T-scores.
From these kids' experience, getting into GEP doesn't seem to guarantee a smooth schooling path.nansk:
Do you mean this post?BTW did you get a chance to read my earlier, on-topic post about GEP Prep? Any comments?
nansk:
[quote]The Ministry advises parents (the emphasis is mine (the writer)):Back to the topic of GEP Prep program, I read http://giftedphoenix.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/gifted-education-in-singapore-part-2/ yesterday about the GEP.
Quoting from the article:[quote]The testing process is designed to identify pupils with what the Ministry calls ‘high intellectual ability and potential’, as opposed to high attainment.
‘not to prepare their children for the Screening and the Selection Tests. No test/assessment books have been prepared by the MOE for such a purpose. The GEP Screening Test and Selection Test are based on what all pupils should have been taught by Primary 3 in our schools…
We have no evidence that schools are preparing their pupils for the GEP Screening and Selection Tests....’
This rather defensive statement appears directly to contradict the earlier statement that the tests are designed to locate high ability and potential rather than existing high attainment. If the tests are based on what pupils have been taught, they must relate to a defined range of knowledge, understanding and skills. As such, they must be coachable.
On the other hand, it is hard to understand how a test of ‘abstract reasoning ability’ can be ‘based on what all pupils should have been taught…’ There is a fundamental contradiction here..[/quote][quote]Mr Morris Allen, who teaches a two-week GEP prep class every June, exposes the kids to all sorts of IQ puzzles – words, pictures, numbers – to prepare them for the General Ability paper, which tests their problem-solving aptitude.
He also teaches them about time management, so that they do not panic and stumble or waste too much time on questions they cannot answer.
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‘It’s just familiarising them with the unfamiliar,’ said Mr Allen, who sources cognitive ability tests from other countries for his pupils to practise on.’[/quote]So, purely on the basis of this info, I concluded:
1. The Maths and English papers are supposed to test what any P3 student has been taught.
2. The General Ability paper tests IQ questions, which a student can at least be made familiar with.[/quote] -
metz:
Yes, I meant that post. It is more on-topic and I would be happy to hear your thoughts (and those of other GEP parents and lurkers in this thread).
Do you mean this post?nansk:
BTW did you get a chance to read my earlier, on-topic post about GEP Prep? Any comments?nansk:
Back to the topic of GEP Prep program, I read http://giftedphoenix.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/gifted-education-in-singapore-part-2/ yesterday about the GEP.
Quoting from the article... -
Of course coachable!
Just like psle, if a good student work hard , he’ll prob get pretty good result.
but that being said, ere will always be many in the mid band who no matter how much effort putin in, will still remain midband. -
Nebbermind:
Right. Except that parents of the mid band will never question the selection criteria.Of course coachable!
Just like psle, if a good student work hard , he'll prob get pretty good result.
but that being said, ere will always be many in the mid band who no matter how much effort putin in, will still remain midband.
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Nebbermind:
Hard Work + :roll: Luck = Good Results in PSLEOf course coachable!
Just like psle, if a good student work hard , he'll prob get pretty good result.
but that being said, ere will always be many in the mid band who no matter how much effort putin in, will still remain midband.
Also need a measure of luck to do well... Don't forget it's a ranking exercise. I can work hard, but 40,000 kids are, presumably, also working hard. And I can't control their performance. :evil: -
CayennePepper:
Yes, the bell curve; must choose to born at the right time. I discouraged my sister to have dragon baby
Hard Work + :roll: Luck = Good Results in PSLENebbermind:
Of course coachable!
Just like psle, if a good student work hard , he'll prob get pretty good result.
but that being said, ere will always be many in the mid band who no matter how much effort putin in, will still remain midband.
Also need a measure of luck to do well... Don't forget it's a ranking exercise. I can work hard, but 40,000 kids are, presumably, also working hard. And I can't control their performance. :evil:
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Please kindly tell us what did Arowana write that is obscene? I asked you previously but you didn't reply. Your below post is uncalled for. Since the allegation of using \"obscene\" is unfounded, please kindly restore my friend \"Arowana\" account.
It is obvious FQW, sunflowers, CayeenePeppers, inotks, sun_2010, Be_Contented etc are the ones who initiated and hurl insidious comments / insults first but nobody did anything at that time. So are you going to have any penalty for these people who initiated and hurl insidious comments /
insults first? If you say there won't be any penalty, I am fine with that but I sure will learn from them how to do it the right way now, will learn from them how to do these without penalty.
Back to hurling bad words, it is obvious that crony.in.ksp has hurled obscene words as shown as below:crony.in.ksp:
I believe it is obvious to all here what \"crony\" is referring to for the words in red above because this is the real clear substitute for obscene word. So his account has not been suspended?aiyo, error one ah, why u so liddat
u no fun lah ....wat a fish ...
You can suspend me for all you want because if that is the case I won’t bother to come here anymore and it is Time for me to start my new website for discussions by parents who want and can practice fairness and meritocracy.ChiefKiasu:
Dear LindsayL / aka. ex-Arowana,
We have already provided you a proper thread to discuss your favorite topic on the fairness of GEP in the Rants subforum. Please stick to that thread. Subsequent postings by you on this issue in the GEP subforum will result in termination of your new account again. The GEP subforum is intended for parents with children already in the program, or are interested in finding out more about the Programme.
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nansk:
So are we talking about the kids (whether coachable or not), or the selection criteria? :scratchhead:
Right. Except that parents of the mid band will never question the selection criteria.Nebbermind:
Of course coachable!
Just like psle, if a good student work hard , he'll prob get pretty good result.
but that being said, ere will always be many in the mid band who no matter how much effort putin in, will still remain midband.
Anyway, I think it's difficult to have absolute fair selection criteria. Take for example psle. Some of theeople I spoke to felt that Chinese has a much higher weightage to the t-score than math and science, ie, a low A can cost you more than the same for math and science.
But Chinese is only one of the 7 or 8 subjects in secondary school so why should it have such great impact on the t-score that will affect my s1 posting? -
Nebbermind:
So are we talking about the kids (whether coachable or not), or the selection criteria? :scratchhead:
Right. Except that parents of the mid band will never question the selection criteria.nansk:
[quote=\"Nebbermind\"]Of course coachable!
Just like psle, if a good student work hard , he'll prob get pretty good result.
but that being said, ere will always be many in the mid band who no matter how much effort putin in, will still remain midband.
Anyway, I think it's difficult to have absolute fair selection criteria. Take for example psle. Some of theeople I spoke to felt that Chinese has a much higher weightage to the t-score than math and science, ie, a low A can cost you more than the same for math and science.
But Chinese is only one of the 7 or 8 subjects in secondary school so why should it have such great impact on the t-score that will affect my s1 posting?[/quote]So we start history, geography, literature from P3 also? Then t-score based on the core 7-8 subjects to determine our sec Sch? Can? Like that more fair?
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