Are you ready for 7 million people on tiny Singapore?
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Laura02:
It's not the figure of 7 million that I dislike, but the fact the they keep moving the goalpost upwards. When the graduate mother scheme was proposed, I think the goal was 3.5 million. Now it's 7 million. By 2030, would the target then be 10 million?
Yes , look at what Ms Fu said about if there is a contraction of population, then bad for business , and cannot attract investment. So, that means what? must keep increasing and increasing , there is no stopping at 7m. Using this needs to increase logic, the population has to keep increasing , until some fall out into the sea. -
So… for the sake of good biz and to fatten the pockets of towkays, ok to suffocate all the peasants?
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until 2030…if PAP lost in 2016…will it still be implemented?
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WeiHan:
until 2030...if PAP lost in 2016...will it still be implemented?
This concerns and affects every Singaporean in a big way. Is the ruling party or the opposition parties calling for a national referendum? -
By that time, our children and grandchildren may have already migrated somewhere where education is not so stressful, housing is more affordable, cars are affordable, etc etc. In short, better quality of life.
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can’t be stopped growing for a while meh?
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We now ranked 3rd in terms of population density, we beat HK again!!!
Aren't we competitive? Maybe MIW has 1st position in mind.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_population_density -
MR06:
oh! but those in the list are cities...if people living there do not like it, they just need to shift to the sub-urb or other part of the countries but for us, we need to migrate.We now ranked 3rd in terms of population density, we beat HK again!!!
Aren't we competitive? Maybe MIW has 1st position in mind.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_population_density -
I have a stupid question.
Seeing as we are going to have a greying population problem by around 2030 to 2050, how exactly does admitting more new citizens now help? The way I see it, the new citizens are likely to be around 35-45 years old now. So, by 2030, they will be 52-62 years old. By 2050, they will be 72-82. Isn't the white paper 'roadmap' actually aggravating the problem?
And seeing as our infrastructure is not adequate at the moment for the current population size (ie. we are already overcrowded), does it not make more sense to drastically cut admission of new citizens for the next say 5-10 years instead?
The white paper road map of 15k-25k new citizens from now onwards appear to me to be adding to the congestion in Singapore now, so that we will have an even larger aged population in 2030 to 2050. Or are we looking to admit Highlander type immortals to be new citizens? :scratchhead:
In fact, given the unique underbuilding of infrastructure situation we are currently in, the next 5-10 years actually offers Singapore a window of opportunity to re-assess the criteria for granting citizenship. This is going to sound outrageously radical, so bear with me.
I have earlier in the thread alluded to the problem of having 15k-25k new citizens a year against 35k babies a year re the proportion of male adult citizens who have done NS. I am reasonably confident that having up to 40% of adult male citizens not having done NS and not having to do reservist will not be acceptable to the 'core' population of citizens.
It has always been said that new citizens must be committed to sinking roots in Singapore. Well, talk is cheap.
I suggest changing the criteria for granting citizenship to include the willingness of new male citizens to do national service. If the man is not even willing to do national service, then it is reasonable to question his proclaimed 'commitment' to Singapore.
National service for new citizens can take one of 2 main forms. The first is the usual 2 years of full-time national service plus the 10 year ICT cycle. The second is just the 10 year ICT cycle of up to 40 days a year. The difference is that if one has completed full-time NS, one is entitled during ICT to receive make-up pay. If the new citizen has not completed full-time NS, he will be entitled to the usual rank and service pay during ICT, but not make-up pay. The other difference is that since the new citizen has not done full-time NS and hence has not completed training, ICT for this class of servicemen is likely to be closer to 28-40 days a year than the usual 15-21 days.
Sure, this will cut down on the number of citizenship applications immediately. At least we instantly weed out those applicants who are not genuinely committed to Singapore. And hey! We are already overcrowded at the moment.
If the benefits of citizenship is what our government makes it out to be, qualified people should still find Singapore citizenship attractive despite NS, right? After all, people are perfectly willing to perform military service in Iraq and Afghanistan in order to obtain US citizenship. We will have an instant guage of whether the benefits and obligations of citizenship are properly balanced.
Who knows? If new citizens have to do ICT too, maybe there will be enough personnel for the ICT cycle to be cut to 7-8 years?
Or perhaps nobody will apply. In which case, we will all get to know that all the talk about how great a place Singapore is and how great the benefits of Singapore citizenship are is complete :censored: . -
pirate:
This STUPID question has already been asked many times. Some who provide stupid answers are already not in this forum...maybe some that are still in this forum can elaborate more on their answer?I have a stupid question.
Seeing as we are going to have a greying population problem by around 2030 to 2050, how exactly does admitting more new citizens now help? The way I see it, the new citizens are likely to be around 35-45 years old now. So, by 2030, they will be 52-62 years old. By 2050, they will be 72-82. Isn't the white paper 'roadmap' actually aggravating the problem?
And seeing as our infrastructure is not adequate at the moment for the current population size (ie. we are already overcrowded), does it not make more sense to drastically cut admission of new citizens for the next say 5-10 years instead?
The white paper road map of 15k-25k new citizens from now onwards appear to me to be adding to the congestion in Singapore now, so that we will have an even larger aged population in 2030 to 2050. Or are we looking to admit Highlander type immortals to be new citizens? :scratchhead:
In fact, given the unique underbuilding of infrastructure situation we are currently in, the next 5-10 years actually offers Singapore a window of opportunity to re-assess the criteria for granting citizenship. This is going to sound outrageously radical, so bear with me.
I have earlier in the thread alluded to the problem of having 15k-25k new citizens a year against 35k babies a year re the proportion of male adult citizens who have done NS. I am reasonably confident that having up to 40% of adult male citizens not having done NS and not having to do reservist will not be acceptable to the 'core' population of citizens.
It has always been said that new citizens must be committed to sinking roots in Singapore. Well, talk is cheap.
I suggest changing the criteria for granting citizenship to include the willingness of new male citizens to do national service. If the man is not even willing to do national service, then it is reasonable to question his proclaimed 'commitment' to Singapore.
National service for new citizens can take one of 2 main forms. The first is the usual 2 years of full-time national service plus the 10 year ICT cycle. The second is just the 10 year ICT cycle of up to 40 days a year. The difference is that if one has completed full-time NS, one is entitled during ICT to receive make-up pay. If the new citizen has not completed full-time NS, he will be entitled to the usual rank and service pay during ICT, but not make-up pay. The other difference is that since the new citizen has not done full-time NS and hence has not completed training, ICT for this class of servicemen is likely to be closer to 28-40 days a year than the usual 15-21 days.
Sure, this will cut down on the number of citizenship applications immediately. At least we instantly weed out those applicants who are not genuinely committed to Singapore. And hey! We are already overcrowded at the moment.
If the benefits of citizenship is what our government makes it out to be, qualified people should still find Singapore citizenship attractive despite NS, right? After all, people are perfectly willing to perform military service in Iraq and Afghanistan in order to obtain US citizenship. We will have an instant guage of whether the benefits and obligations of citizenship are properly balanced.
Who knows? If new citizens have to do ICT too, maybe there will be enough personnel for the ICT cycle to be cut to 7-8 years?
Or perhaps nobody will apply. In which case, we will all get to know that all the talk about how great a place Singapore is and how great the benefits of Singapore citizenship are is complete :censored: .
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