DSA 2022
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ChiefKiasu\" post_id=\"2063276\" time=\"1648776851\" user_id=\"3:
Oh the accept/reject stage (submit exercise preference form) is done after sitting PSLE, but before the PSLE results release. All the CO and WL recipients have to decide at that point. They cannot change their mind later.
Wait a minute. So there is a difference between those with COs and WLs. I didn't know about WLs. :oops:
Well, I suppose the one good thing about a WL is that of choice. If the kid does very well in PSLE and then a place is opened up for him in the school, he can choose to reject the place unlike those with COs. I'm still curious what they can do if someone rejects a CO? Fine the person?
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No fine involved.
If a student turn down the CO, the CO just lapsed. The vacancy created by the rejected (turned down ) CO, then goes to the WL.
WL need to be careful, whether they want to accept the WL, or not. Once a WL gets successfully converted into CO, the student cannot take part in S1 posting anymore, because he already have gotten a seat in a Sec school.
Exercising of CO / WL takes place 1 to 2 weeks, after the last PSLE HCL is over, but before the release of PSLE resukts. During this period, students will reflect upon how they have fared, per PSLE subject. They can discuss with their parents. This will help them to make the decision : accept or turn down CO / WL.
In the past, there have been cases where on PSLE results announcement day, the student unexpectedly realized that he did very well, gotten AL 4. He can go RI, with AL 4. But because his WL (for another school) had already been successfully converted, he cannot get out of the signed DSA contract. He had to honor the MOE contract, stick to the WL-school -
Hmm… no fine… no penalty… just lapsed. So exactly what is meant by "you must go to the school you had a CO with"? Surely there must be some penalty. What is to stop a person who gave up on a CO and just apply to study in a better school in the normal Secondary One registration process? Nothing.
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ChiefKiasu\" post_id=\"2063288\" time=\"1648778993\" user_id=\"3:
Is there really a need for a penalty? The student (probably with the involvement of the parents) would have penalised themselves by wasting several months of their lives in the whole application/interview/angst of checking emails thingamajig of DSA, to secure the CO but to reject it in the end. All this while supposedly cramming for SA1, prelims, PSLE…
Hmm... no fine... no penalty... just lapsed. So exactly what is meant by \"you must go to the school you had a CO with\"? Surely there must be some penalty. What is to stop a person who gave up on a CO and just apply to study in a better school in the normal Secondary One registration process? Nothing.
A bit like chasing a prospective boyfriend/girlfriend for months and months, putting on your best etc…then when the person says ok I’ll be your stead…you turn around and say nah, I dont want you anymore. -
Before students accept any Secondary school CO or WL, before they sign on the dotted line for the next 4 years’ DSA commitment, There will be email sent to them to read through, be briefed, before they sign. So once they sign, there is no ground nor basis of counter-argument back that eg. hey "Sorry, I didn’t read through carefully in detail, hence didn’t realize that there is a commitment that my child need to honor, for the next 4 years". No such thing. The moment u signed the MOE contract, u ought to know what you are getting your child into. That is, HONOUR the commitment, for the next 4 years.
Once u sign, u cannot feign ignorance. Then, who ask u to accept the CO / WL ? Who ask u to sign, in the first case ?
Analogy.
Is like telling our Sg govt, upon entering onto Singapore ground (land), that "hey, I am a visitor to Singapore. Sorry. I didn’t know that carrying drugs in Singapore, is a crime … Sorry, hor. I am ignorant. I wasn’t aware. Please forgive me. Please give me second chance. Don’t handcuff me, don’t send me to jail, tolong
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And, how will MOE computer database check ?
Before they start processing all S1 posting, their algorithm will check, verify first. If they find any DSA-accepted-CO or DSA-WL-converted-successfully student birth cert number inside, they will throw out this student out right, into an exception Report. -
If there is a severe penalty for turning down a CO, will it discourage those talented students to apply for DSA?
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phtthp\" post_id=\"2063291\" time=\"1648779497\" user_id=\"35251:
Before we can make something compulsory, we have to make the repercussions clear. What you said above is a good example. If someone took a CO but forsake it for a better school, then he should be prevented from participating in the general Secondary school registration exercise. So he will have no school to attend if he forsakes the CO. Then we will see people becoming more serious with DSA.
... And, how will MOE computer database check ?
Before they start processing all S1 posting, their algorithm will check, verify first. If they find any DSA-accepted-CO or DSA-WL-converted-successfully student birth cert number inside, they will throw out this student out right, into an exception Report.
I just want people to take COs seriously. It is not play play, suka suka. If you earn a CO, remember, it is a privilege, and you have been chosen above other desperate students. DSA is a commitment, and not up to one's whims and fancies. -
Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=\"2063292\" time=\"1648780585\" user_id=\"195250:[quote=\"Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=2063292 time=1648780585 user_id=195250]
In the first place, if you are gifted and sure to score AL4 for your PSLE, you don't need to apply to DSA to ensure a place. DSA offers other less certain people a chance to get a place in his coveted school. DSA offers a privilege, and not a choice.
If there is a severe penalty for turning down a CO, will it discourage those talented students to apply for DSA?[/quote] -
ChiefKiasu\" post_id=\"2063296\" time=\"1648784161\" user_id=\"3:
I agree, same for scholarships....I am peeved by people who break bonds for a privilege they get. A commitment means a commitment unless there are very good valid reasons to support any exceptions else it is a no-no.
Before we can make something compulsory, we have to make the repercussions clear. What you said above is a good example. If someone took a CO but forsake it for a better school, then he should be prevented from participating in the general Secondary school registration exercise. So he will have no school to attend if he forsakes the CO. Then we will see people becoming more serious with DSA.
I just want people to take COs seriously. It is not play play, suka suka. If you earn a CO, remember, it is a privilege, and you have been chosen above other desperate students. DSA is a commitment, and not up to one's whims and fancies.
But wait, once a student accepts a CO, he/she cannot forsake it after that even if he/she qualifies for a better school after PSLE results. They can only turn down a CO when an offer is made to them as some have multiple COs. -
Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=\"2063292\" time=\"1648780585\" user_id=\"195250:[quote=\"Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=2063292 time=1648780585 user_id=195250]
Schools cannot impose any penalty to students, who turned down (CO or WL).
If there is a severe penalty for turning down a CO, will it discourage those talented students to apply for DSA?[/quote]
Why ?
Because
during the DSA process, just as the panel of interviewers are looking for suitable candidates to join their school, likewise, the opposite way is also happening. P6 students attending interview and through the conversation or answering \"do u have any question for us ?\", somehow will also know through their own gut feel, whether they like the DSA school or not. After all, they did choose 3 schools to apply DSA to. Or maybe during interview session, one of the panel of interviewers asked me sensitive questions, which made me feel uncomfortable. I will think twice about joining this school. Surely, amongst these 3 schools, after attending interview, they will know which school amongst the 3, is the one they really desire, or which one they don't really feel like joining. At the end of it all, P6 students have the freedom to choose. Which school, is the best fit for him (her)?
Analogy.
Is like a Counsellor-client relationship.
The client come to you (Counsellor), as a visitor or a prospect only. The visitor (prospect) will come and ask you a few questions, to see or to check whether he (she) is comfortable or not, talking to you (the Counsellor).
If the client don't feel comfortable with u, case closed. Bye, bye
But, if the client feel that you (counsellor) are able to build good rapport with him, able to understand him, understand his situation, his problem, then this visitor may end up become your customer, eventually.
Hence, the same thing with DSA.
If I as a student, go to your DSA school to attend an interview, find the school premises so run down, so old looking or find the Principal or VP so strict, no nonsense type, as a student, I may be scared. How come so cold, so un-approachable type ? Schools supposed to have a caring, nurturing environment. But, how come this school like so cold ? Then, I won't choose this DSA school, even if they were to offer me a CO or a WL.
Communication, is a 2 way traffic.
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