DSA 2023
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Since this is a DSA thread, if my kid is preparing for DSA, I would tell myself that a school’s statistics of its A level results do not predict how well my kid will perform 6 years later…
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newbieks\" post_id=\"2098182\" time=\"1676721895\" user_id=\"178749:
A case in point:
Since this is a DSA thread, if my kid is preparing for DSA, I would tell myself that a school's statistics of its A level results do not predict how well my kid will perform 6 years later...
“98 per cent of students achieved three H2 passes, with a pass in General Paper or Knowledge & Inquiry.”
The kid could end up being one of the 2% that no one wants to talk about. -
All A level JCs have casualties if defined as those who cant pass/clear A levels.
I do think if passing is what one is looking at, ACSI (and SJI?) have 100% passing rates for the IBDP. -
doodbug\" post_id=\"2098187\" time=\"1676722750\" user_id=\"13281:
Envy, envy. Even for international schools (ACSI Int, HCI Int…) their passing rate is also 100%
All A level JCs have casualties if defined as those who cant pass/clear A levels.
I do think if passing is what one is looking at, ACSI (and SJI?) have 100% passing rates for the IBDP.
If one look beyond the two big giants RI and HCI, I think casualties at other JCs for failing A levels will be even higher! -
floppy\" post_id=\"2098134\" time=\"1676710977\" user_id=\"97579:
I think most people would disagree with you. I'm not even sure you have the meaning of similar correct above; wouldn't 1,126 be exactly the same as 1,126 in a numerical sense? I believe similar is specifically not identical?
In the absolute sense, 1,126 would be similar. However, a difference of 2.5% each way (ie +- 30) would, arguably, be considered similar. However, a 10% difference each way (which is +-100) cannot be seen as similar, no matter how lax we wanna be about the term.
Regardless, I never said anything about A > B or B > A. Nor did I say anything about A and B being superior to others (although you definitely like to run your mouth non-stop about the superiority of certain things). My reply wasn't even trying to \"die die must win anything,\" but only a question on the two cohort sizes, which I believe others are trying to figure out as well.
Anyways, I don't know why you responded to me (in a now removed post), but you must have comprehended something different? Given both of the above, at least I now have any understanding as to why you have had so much trouble sensibly comprehending some of MOE's releases or other posts in the forum. -
mystique_j\" post_id=\"2098167\" time=\"1676717716\" user_id=\"39431:
Nah, you truly think RI is the No 1 choice? If I stay in the East I will choose VJ/Dunman over RI/HCI.
Aren’t you also doing the same thing, towards the end of your post?
I thought only the kids in those schools trash talk each other’s school, understandably, given their age. But it seems even their parents are doing it too.
When I saw the results… my first thoughts were, damn these kids are so smart and it’s gonna be so competitive to get their choice of courses in uni.
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CCK2008\" post_id=\"2097987\" time=\"1676637986\" user_id=\"26004:
I don't think either schools value add because they have all the top students. So if RI and HCI can't do well, then you have to question what are they doing with all these talents :?
Just heard HCI A level result median is 88. Consistently the top jc not only this year, but also past few years. It seems like they are better value added than RI. -
mystique_j\" post_id=\"2098167\" time=\"1676717716\" user_id=\"39431:
I agree. These kids are really something. But I wonder how many of them are foreigners, not true blue Singaporeans.
Aren’t you also doing the same thing, towards the end of your post? I thought only the kids in those schools trash talk each other’s school, understandably, given their age. But it seems even their parents are doing it too.
When I saw the results… my first thoughts were, damn these kids are so smart and it’s gonna be so competitive to get their choice of courses in uni. -
SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2098169\" time=\"1676718169\" user_id=\"188234:
For those that are interested in the cohort sizes (without regard to whether either school or policy is better), I found the following for RI number of students that took the A Level:
I believe parents with kids in the HCI IP complex (either side) would think a HCI JC1 intake size of 1,050 - 1,100 makes sense if JAE is currently 300 - 350 (per above). Supposedly (other comments here), 2023 J1 = 1,089 and 2022 A Level = 1,095.
Do you know what RI's JAE intake size is right now? I have been under the assumption that the figure is similar to that of HCI (I guess we can debate the meaning of similar ), but I could be wrong.
What we do know is that RI's A Level test takers have declined from 1,272 in 2019 to 1,175 in 2021 and 1,126 in 2022 (sorry, I don't have 2020 any longer). Unless there has been a big change in RI's JC1 --> Finish A Level in recent years, it looks like these two cohort sizes are still within probably 50 - 100 students?
2022 = 1,126
2021 = 1,175
2020 = ?
2019 = 1,272
2018 = 1,190 (forum text, not from actual release)
2017 = 1,172
2016 = 1,186
Maybe 2019 and 2022 are both odd years (in opposite directions, for whatever reasons), and a bit under 1,200 is about normal? This would imply about 800 IPs (most continuing all the way through) + about 400 JAEs.
Again, purpose is for information only as to whether the difference in cohort sizes is a) 1,000 vs. 1,200 or larger or b) 50 - 100, as both have been thrown out by friendly participants. No conclusions or implications drawn. -
My hope is that the "lucky" parents and students (whether by birthright, ballot, talent, or results) can move towards being more grateful for whatever they have vs. constantly thumbing their nose at the others who were not so fortunate (primary and secondary level). Competition and trying to improve one’s lot may be unavoidable, but I don’t think it is helpful for us or our kids (collectively) when the divides of this or that become so adversarial. When you look around, many are quick to pump up what they have and minimize what they don’t have. Perhaps try to understand both sides of the coin or what it is like to stand on the other side of the fence.
What some will find is that you clear this bar, then there is another bar, and another after that. A few will be lucky to clear all of them, but most will find out at some point you may be the odd one out (even if this means being below average or the "worst" among the so called "best"). Primary school PSLE, class allocation, S2 streaming, Extra Programme this, JC, Uni course, Post-Uni Job, etc, etc, - it can never end.
As for DSA, I guess people can try to give straightforward answers to others so they have realistic expectations. At the same time, hopefully it doesn’t turn into an exercise in trumpeting one’s privilege while degrading others (as has been done in the past, sometimes explicitly). The choice of words and framing what is (likely) required vs. what is not good enough can go a long way towards constructively helping people. In the end, I think there is a very fine line between pushing for the most one can achieve vs. becoming consumed by it.
Lastly, to all collectively and some individuals specifically, I apologize if some of my replies where no better than what I ask people to avoid above. I’ve always believed it is more about the individual student than these other external factors.
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