Integrated Programme (IP)
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wikil0v3:
hi parents, do any of you happen to have the syllabus for IP? thks in advance
I think it varies from school to school although there are probably MOE guidelines and considerable overlap. -
I understand many parents wish to see their children attend top secondary schools, top JCs and graduate from there with excellent set of results. However if the children are not capable enough to do so, the parents will try to use the DSA route to achieve the aim.
Everything is ok if they achieve a certain academic standard throughout. From my experiences, many of them make frequent visits to the Principal’s office together with their parents throughout the years. DSA is a dirty word among the JC content tutors and we often lament whenever we have one under our tutelage.
As much as parents through their children ‘made use’ of our name and prestige to go around boasting, the schools wring every bit of whatever ‘talent’ a student has to bring glory to them. In the end, it is often the students who are the losing end.
Please take note of the following pointers if you are intending to use the DSA route.
1. From this year onward, there is an unwritten MOE ruling if a DSA students cannot make it to its affiliated JC, eg. RI to RI(JC) due to poor academic results, that student cannot go to any other non-IP JCs to take A-level. Period. He/she must take IB exam instead or hope very hard the other JCs which have IP programme can accept him/her.
2. If a student does make it to its affiliated JCs, there is NO guarantee he/she can take the National examinations as a school candidate. I’ve many cases of them doing as private candidates while the rest of the classmates as school candidates. I’m sure the readers will know why. Want to complain to MOE or sue the school? Too bad there is a contractual agreement between the school and the student.
Hence is DSA good? I’ve DSA students who excelled and went on to do medicine. I’ve students too who stayed in JCs for 4 years and ended up with not even a cert. The school proudly showcases the trophies but the people who helped to achieve are just ‘expendables’ that can be replenish every year.
It is a risky road to take. Which student can take such route and eventually succeed the parents must determine with an unbiased, untainted approach. -
him4mixer:
can point to us the hyperlink (source of info, from ＭＯＥ）？I understand many parents wish to see their children attend top secondary schools, top JCs and graduate from there with excellent set of results. However if the children are not capable enough to do so, the parents will try to use the DSA route to achieve the aim.
Everything is ok if they achieve a certain academic standard throughout. From my experiences, many of them make frequent visits to the Principal's office together with their parents throughout the years. DSA is a dirty word among the JC content tutors and we often lament whenever we have one under our tutelage.
As much as parents through their children 'made use' of our name and prestige to go around boasting, the schools wring every bit of whatever 'talent' a student has to bring glory to them. In the end, it is often the students who are the losing end.
Please take note of the following pointers if you are intending to use the DSA route.
1. From this year onward, there is an unwritten MOE ruling if a DSA students cannot make it to its affiliated JC, eg. RI to RI(JC) due to poor academic results, that student cannot go to any other non-IP JCs to take A-level. Period. He/she must take IB exam instead or hope very hard the other JCs which have IP programme can accept him/her.
2. If a student does make it to its affiliated JCs, there is NO guarantee he/she can take the National examinations as a school candidate. I've many cases of them doing as private candidates while the rest of the classmates as school candidates. I'm sure the readers will know why. Want to complain to MOE or sue the school? Too bad there is a contractual agreement between the school and the student.
Hence is DSA good? I've DSA students who excelled and went on to do medicine. I've students too who stayed in JCs for 4 years and ended up with not even a cert. The school proudly showcases the trophies but the people who helped to achieve are just 'expendables' that can be replenish every year.
It is a risky road to take. Which student can take such route and eventually succeed the parents must determine with an unbiased, untainted approach.
anyway, nowadays for students in IP Secondary schools -
Every year, they have PMT (Parents meet Tr) session.
Form Tr will feedback to the parents, regularly : whether their child able to cope so far in their IP curriculum or not, from Y1 to Y4.
If the child really can't cope, be it via Dsa or via Psle T-score entry into the IP Sec school : both parents & child will be alerted during regular PMT meet up session, to switch over to O level at end of Y2, or exit to Polytechnic at end of Y4.
After getting in, IP students have 2 years (Y1 to Y2) to try out the IP programme, see if suitable, or not. If not suitable, they can switch to O level, at end of Y2.
Different IP schools : the IP curriculum, may vary. -
In my opinion, i feel it’s better to choose an IP school with dual track(meaning there are o level classes too) if the child is not top 5 in school consistently.
The reality is IP syllabus is tough. My dd said she can see a few of her friends already struggling in the IP even though it’s just the start of the year. One has just dropped out of Japanese(3rd Language) as she couldnt take the stress of juggling the heavy workload.
Hence, if parents think IP is a breeze, let me tell you it’s not. It’s really for those who are academically more gifted as there’s really no time for mutiple subjects tuition. If the child is an independent and motivated learner besides being academically-inclined, then IP is very suitable for the child. -
whitecarrotcake:
:nailbite:In my opinion, i feel it's better to choose an IP school with dual track(meaning there are o level classes too) if the child is not top 5 in school consistently.
The reality is IP syllabus is tough. My dd said she can see a few of her friends already struggling in the IP even though it's just the start of the year. One has just dropped out of Japanese(3rd Language) as she couldnt take the stress of juggling the heavy workload.
Hence, if parents think IP is a breeze, let me tell you it's not. It's really for those who are academically more gifted as there's really no time for mutiple subjects tuition. If the child is an independent and motivated learner besides being academically-inclined, then IP is very suitable for the child. -
him4mixer:
I recently heard of a real life case where the dd in an IP school (DSAed through sports) could not make it to its affiliated JC. She had been failing every year since sec 1 (and then pushed up, i.e., passed after re-exam, or something like that), and there was no O level class during her year for her to go to (I think the O level class started the year after her year). After sec 4, since cannot make it to the affiliated JC, tried to appeal to another non-IP JC. That JC principal accepted, but MOE stepped in and say no, the dd cannot go to any other JC to take A-level. I think the dd in the end went to poly...
1. From this year onward, there is an unwritten MOE ruling if a DSA students cannot make it to its affiliated JC, eg. RI to RI(JC) due to poor academic results, that student cannot go to any other non-IP JCs to take A-level. Period. He/she must take IB exam instead or hope very hard the other JCs which have IP programme can accept him/her. -
mommyNg:
I recently heard of a real life case where the dd in an IP school (DSAed through sports) could not make it to its affiliated JC. She had been failing every year since sec 1 (and then pushed up, i.e., passed after re-exam, or something like that), and there was no O level class during her year for her to go to (I think the O level class started the year after her year). After sec 4, since cannot make it to the affiliated JC, tried to appeal to another non-IP JC. That JC principal accepted, but MOE stepped in and say no, the dd cannot go to any other JC to take A-level. I think the dd in the end went to poly...
:yikes:
I am shocked! -
mommyNg:
Is this made known to the students in their DSA offer letter?
I recently heard of a real life case where the dd in an IP school (DSAed through sports) could not make it to its affiliated JC. She had been failing every year since sec 1 (and then pushed up, i.e., passed after re-exam, or something like that), and there was no O level class during her year for her to go to (I think the O level class started the year after her year). After sec 4, since cannot make it to the affiliated JC, tried to appeal to another non-IP JC. That JC principal accepted, but MOE stepped in and say no, the dd cannot go to any other JC to take A-level. I think the dd in the end went to poly...him4mixer:
1. From this year onward, there is an unwritten MOE ruling if a DSA students cannot make it to its affiliated JC, eg. RI to RI(JC) due to poor academic results, that student cannot go to any other non-IP JCs to take A-level. Period. He/she must take IB exam instead or hope very hard the other JCs which have IP programme can accept him/her.
Does the above practice (no transfer to other JC) apply to IP applicants who gets accepted via the Sec Sch JAE?
Anyone with personal experience or first hand infor to share? TIA -
mommyNg:
Why did MOE step in to say \"No\", after Principal of the non-IP JC wanted to accept her ?
I recently heard of a real life case where the dd in an IP school (DSAed through sports) could not make it to its affiliated JC. She had been failing every year since sec 1 (and then pushed up, i.e., passed after re-exam, or something like that), and there was no O level class during her year for her to go to (I think the O level class started the year after her year).
After sec 4, since cannot make it to the affiliated JC, tried to appeal to another non-IP JC.
That JC principal accepted, but MOE stepped in and say no, the dd cannot go to any other JC to take A-level.
I think the dd in the end went to poly...
What was the reason behind why MOE say \"No\" ?
Is it because she entered the IP JC by DSA, hence cannot ?
If she had entered by Psle T-score instead of DSA route, then MOE would have let her go through ?
Is this the difference between enter by Psle T-score road, vs. DSA road ?
Or do we interpret as -
regardless of whether enter by (DSA or Psle T-score) :
As long as Secondary school (Y1 to Y4 pupils from RGS girls / RI boys) are academically weak, they cannot transfer out to any other JC to do Y5 & Y6 \"A\" level, since they quickly trying to exit, get out of RI \"A\" level as they no longer can cope ?
This is a new ruling ? -
phtthp:
Not sure why she was accepted by the other JC....I assume it's coz of her sport?
Why did MOE step in to say \"No\", after Principal of the non-IP JC wanted to accept her ?mommyNg:
I recently heard of a real life case where the dd in an IP school (DSAed through sports) could not make it to its affiliated JC. She had been failing every year since sec 1 (and then pushed up, i.e., passed after re-exam, or something like that), and there was no O level class during her year for her to go to (I think the O level class started the year after her year).
After sec 4, since cannot make it to the affiliated JC, tried to appeal to another non-IP JC.
That JC principal accepted, but MOE stepped in and say no, the dd cannot go to any other JC to take A-level.
I think the dd in the end went to poly...
What was the reason behind why MOE say \"No\" ?
Is it because she entered the IP JC by DSA, hence cannot ?
If she had entered by Psle T-score instead of DSA route, then MOE would have let her go through ?
Is this the difference between enter by Psle T-score road, vs. DSA road ?
Or do we interpret as -
regardless of whether enter by (DSA or Psle T-score) :
As long as Secondary school (Y1 to Y4 pupils from RGS girls / RI boys) are academically weak, they cannot transfer out to any other JC to do Y5 & Y6 \"A\" level, since they quickly trying to exit, get out of RI \"A\" level as they no longer can cope ?
This is a new ruling ?
But it doesn't make sense to continue in the JC route coz she had been failing since sec1...definitely way behind and very unlikely to be able to cope with JC.
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